Im done....Gibbs must go.

[paulskinsfan]

Polls are all about how they are worded. For example, if you say "Do you think Joe Gibbs should be fired" I would guess the result of that poll would be a majority would say no. But, if you say "Do you believe that Joe Gibbs performance over the past 3 years merits a return for year 4?" I would guess the majority of people would say no as well. If you really want go gauge the currnet attitude of Skins fans regarding the current coaching staff, you have to be careful how the poll/question is phrased.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Polls are all about how they are worded. For example, if you say "Do you think Joe Gibbs should be fired" I would guess the result of that poll would be a majority would say no. But, if you say "Do you believe that Joe Gibbs performance over the past 3 years merits a return for year 4?" I would guess the majority of people would say no as well. If you really want go gauge the currnet attitude of Skins fans regarding the current coaching staff, you have to be careful how the poll/question is phrased.

you sound like a follow sociology major. You working at Burger King too?

[Darrell_Green_28]

so i guess people that want Gibbs gone would like to see a Tug-of-War with the playcalling responsibilities.. when they were doing good in the first quarter i saw people praising Saunders. but when it went down hill its Gibbs' fault..

[paulskinsfan]

LOL. ITs true though, the media take advantage of polls all the time and how they are worded. Most fans have a soft spot for Gibbs because of the past, therefore if you come right out and ask, "Should Joe be fired" they will hesitate and most would reluctantly say no. Ask those same fans if, based on his record over the past 3 years he deserves to return, and many of those same fans would say no as well. Someone hit on it earlier, the better question might be if fans expect the ship to be righted with the current arrangement of coaching and philosopy.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

LOL. ITs true though, the media take advantage of polls all the time and how they are worded. Most fans have a soft spot for Gibbs because of the past, therefore if you come right out and ask, "Should Joe be fired" they will hesitate and most would reluctantly say no. Ask those same fans if, based on his record over the past 3 years he deserves to return, and many of those same fans would say no as well. Someone hit on it earlier, the better question might be if fans expect the ship to be righted with the current arrangement of coaching and philosopy.

You've pretty much summed up my feelings exactly.
People get so emotional talking about Gibbs because of what he did for this team in the past, so they'll give him so much more slack than they would ever give anyone else. If Bill Walsh came here (and wasn't 108) to coach the team and had the same record we'd all be calling for his head, but since it's Gibbs we all want to believe that he'll knows exactly how to turn it all around.

I'm sorry to break this to you, but people lose "it;" if you don' believe me, just look at britney spears.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Coach Gibbs is under contract for 2 more years he will be here for that and i personally wouldnt mind longer. so stop the talk about gibbs should be gone crap.. hes not going so no need to beat a dead horse.

[celts32]

Someone "needs to go" after every loss. It's so rediculous...the redskins fans as a whoile criticise the Redskins for never sticking with a plan and trying to reinvent the wheel after every season...but that's exactly what the fans do after every loss. It's f-ing rediculous...

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by celts32

Someone "needs to go" after every loss. It's so rediculous...the redskins fans as a whoile criticise the Redskins for never sticking with a plan and trying to reinvent the wheel after every season...but that's exactly what the fans do after every loss. It's f-ing rediculous...

Is that any more ridiculous than the way everyone goes crazy after every win, even sloppy ones? After the panthers game (which they lost moreso than we won) people had us winning out and making the playoffs even though we've been consistantly bad all season.
And back to an arguement that I made earlier: by bringing in Saunders and his 700 page playbook we did change this offseason, so enough with the whole "Gibbs brings us consistancy" arguement.
At this point I do think we need to keep Saunders this offseason for Jason Campbell's sake and Gibbs can either stay or go. But if he does go we need to bring in a defensive minded head coach who will let Saunders do his thing on offense.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Is that any more ridiculous than the way everyone goes crazy after every win, even sloppy ones? After the panthers game (which they lost moreso than we won) people had us winning out and making the playoffs even though we've been consistantly bad all season.

Both extremes are ridiculous.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Both extremes are ridiculous.

Agreed. And that's exactly why I hate listening to the post game call-in shows when I'm driving home from games, regardless of the outcome.

[724Skinsfan]

I always thought the act itself served as a profound example of selflessness. He stood up in front of the whole world and showed that he was not infallible and was willing to step down as the primary playcaller for a guy who at the time had established himself as the absolute #1 offensive mastermind.

Calling Gibbs washed up because he brought in the NFL's #1 offensive coordinator to enhance the Redskins offense is at best irrational. Anyone can argue decision making based hindsight.

[12thMan]

The reality is every year with every team in the NFL brings some degree of change and adjusting. I think as Redskins fans, we've longed for stability so long, and rightfully so, that we've some how bought into the notion that if we 'stick it out' for another two years or more with the current format, then we've become 'consistant' and it validates our decision making. Well, you can also become consistantly bad, or stuborn..it carries a lot of canotations.

With all that being said, I'm torn on whether Al Saunders should go for the simple reason it could further stunt JC's maturity.

This is become as complicated as an 'Exit Strategy.'

In today's NFL you really are given a 3-5 window to do your thing.

[SmootSmack]

So I mean is the issue that Gibbs has lost it and that's why he has to go, or that he didn't lose it, but he thought he did and picked Saunders who doesn't have it, and that's why he has to go?

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Why would he bring in Saunders if he thought he could still get the job done himself?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

Why would he bring in Saunders if he thought he could still get the job done himself?

That's what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't clear