Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yea but a shot gun gives you a better chance on a dark night.

Well, I do understand the sentiment, however, when in your home, you should be able to see the intruder, and 2, a shot gun will spray pellets which could damage the home. I have bullets that explode on impact, so the worst I will have to do is pick up pieces of brain.
Oh, and I have practiced regularly out at the range...I'm a sure shot.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

One thing that you assume is that a person carring a gun becomes a danger to everyone else. The facts show just the opposite is true as they have a very low crime rate with people who have a concealed permit and they have safty to take safty classes to carry a gun. I'll see if I can find a link to back this up. I think that your post is your personal thought and is not backed by facts.

Well, and another little known fact out there in the cities, is that A LOT, and I do mean A LOT of people out in Texas and New Mexico etc have concealed weapons on them 24/7. You just never know. They make holsters for the inner pant, and you could never tell they had a gun.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Some of my post is, absolutely, my opinion and, yes, it is a gut reaction in some respects. In that I actually support gun ownership, I haven't generally researched the reasons for limiting it. I USUALLY am the one arguing that gun ownership is okay. It's just the "I have a right to have a gun, as many guns as I want, and it's nobody's business but mine" attitude I take issue with. As I said, and as with all constitutionally guaranteed rights, gun ownership requires a balancing of the public interest against the private right.

For example, I have heard few gun owners argue that people should have the right to carry a concealed weapon in schools (Angry even opposed this). BUT:
- If guns encourage safety and all gun owners are concerned with safety (as the NRA article asserts), why not allow them in schools? Aren't they just as safe at a playground as they are on the sidewalk in front of my house? If they inherently pose a danger to kids when carried in schools and playgrounds, dont they inherently pose a danger to adults in other public places? Further, based on the "fewer guns don't make us safer" argument, don't we make schools the targets for armed predators b/c they know no one is armed?

You say play grounds but to carry a gun you have to be over the age 18 so I don't think "kids" will be packing at school. Now if maybe each school had a few trained people to carry a gun it maybe a good idea. The argument was made that if one of the VT students just had a gun they may have stopped that guy from killing all of those people. I really don't think we will see the day when students will be packing a gun but we could see the day when teachers and or the administration is allowed to carry a gun. The crazy part of this is that we even have to talk about arming our schools and it would be nice if we knew what has gone wrong for this to be even an issue.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You say play grounds but to carry a gun you have to be over the age 18 so I don't think "kids" will be packing at school. Now if maybe each school had a few trained people to carry a gun it maybe a good idea. The argument was made that if one of the VT students just had a gun they may have stopped that guy from killing all of those people. I really don't think we will see the day when students will be packing a gun but we could see the day when teachers and or the administration is allowed to carry a gun. The crazy part of this is that we even have to talk about arming our schools and it would be nice if we knew what has gone wrong for this to be even an issue.

I think it would be a tough to get administrators or teachers to carry guns, and I don't know that I would feel comfortable around some of them if they did. There are on campus police at universities and they carry guns, maybe we just need more of them.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You say play grounds but to carry a gun you have to be over the age 18 so I don't think "kids" will be packing at school. Now if maybe each school had a few trained people to carry a gun it maybe a good idea. The argument was made that if one of the VT students just had a gun they may have stopped that guy from killing all of those people. I really don't think we will see the day when students will be packing a gun but we could see the day when teachers and or the administration is allowed to carry a gun. The crazy part of this is that we even have to talk about arming our schools and it would be nice if we knew what has gone wrong for this to be even an issue.

While I like the idea, I think that a school should be a gun free environment. There have been teachers that have lost their control in the past, so that could pose as a problem. Also students that have gone out of control too...just not a good scenario in schools.
How about security systems for metal detectors or armed security guards?
It's really tough to play the "what could have happened" game. Hindsight is always 20/20.

[KLHJ2]

I believe that this is a better place to talk about gun control, rather than the Charlton Heston Thread.

[SmootSmack]

Good call angry

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, I do understand the sentiment, however, when in your home, you should be able to see the intruder, and 2, a shot gun will spray pellets which could damage the home. I have bullets that explode on impact, so the worst I will have to do is pick up pieces of brain.
Oh, and I have practiced regularly out at the range...I'm a sure shot.

you crack me up. "i'd use the shotty, but those pellets are just so... messy." Would you prefer the .44 and the ginormous bloodstain? Shooting someone is always going to make a friggin' mess.

Hard to beat a sawed off for self defense...

[JWsleep]

Glad to see this thread getting some new love...


Now we just need Joe Redskin to post another one them kick ass posts. And more Mullets!

Cat Scratch Fever! Duh duh duh! Cat Scratch Fever! Duh Duh Duh Duh! (Bangs head so mullet goes flying...) The Motor City Madman was the second concert I ever saw (on the "World Penetration" tour), at Meriwether-Post, and my ears are still ringing.

(Will pass on my regrets about C. Heston on the appropriate thread. Get yer hand off em, you damn dirty apes!)

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by saden1

Clearly you don't get it. The point I was trying to make is you can not defend yourself by carrying a gun. If everyone is packing you have absolutely no advantage whatsoever.

The argument that somehow carrying a gun eliminates or reduces the incentive for someone wanting to off you is absurd. They'll simply go about it smarter.


I like guns, I go to the gun range a few times a year but I really don't think we should play laissez-faire with guns and go back to the wild wild west.

This is totally a side note, but the criminals ARE packing.

Like I said, completely irrelevant, unrelated...

[JoeRedskin]

The Supreme Court is considering a case that will likely become the leading case on how the Second Amendment is to be interpreted for years to come. Here's an article on the case:

FindLaw's Writ - Dorf: With the Supreme Court Poised to Redefine the Right to Bear Arms, Far-Reaching Questions Loom

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

LOL outnumbered in the streets? Where do you live? Gotham?

This is a classic post. Just hilarious!

[saden1]

Originally Posted by mheisig

This is totally a side note, but the criminals ARE packing.

Like I said, completely irrelevant, unrelated...

And your point is?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

you crack me up. "i'd use the shotty, but those pellets are just so... messy." Would you prefer the .44 and the ginormous bloodstain? Shooting someone is always going to make a friggin' mess.

Hard to beat a sawed off for self defense...

Came REAL close to buying a shotgun at Big5...one of those home defense shotguns. Just didn't feel like spending the $225 or so at that time. Still considering it though.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Came REAL close to buying a shotgun at Big5...one of those home defense shotguns. Just didn't feel like spending the $225 or so at that time. Still considering it though.

Go to a gun show and shop the Mossberg's..................you'll feel better!!!