Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

[GTripp0012]

And if there ever was a cap again, this deal would totally and monstrously screw us over.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by The Goat

No FA signings to help the o-line or OLB? I just think that forces us to rely very heavily on the draft i.e. basically getting two starters in the 1st and 2nd or 1st and 3rd rounds? I like the idea but man that requires our FO to do much better scouting than we've shown in a long time.

There could still be other signings. This is a lot of space we're working with here.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

There could still be other signings. This is a lot of space we're working with here.

I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok i got it... how do we know big Al is partial to the B & G over Tampa?

Well, we can throw an extra 5 million in there for good measure...but only if we're unsure

BTW, that Tampa scenario is a total pie in the sky scenario. A 40 million roster bonus is totally unheard of. The larger point is this: if we let Hall test the market, there's no way Tampa could outbid us for Haynesworth. They simply don't have the market size to write a check in excess of 35 million tomorrow. Before this cap adjustment, we probably couldn't have done so legally, but that's all changed now.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd say Haynesworth is pretty much a lock now. If I were asked to pick between Canty and Hall, I'd choose Canty no doubt. Canty would mean no Evans though.

I would agree wholeheartedly. There's no other explanation for why the Redskins would seek to clear so much space by restructuring Samuels, Carter, Randle El, and Griffin.

I think the Redskins front office new the cap would be going up to 127 because they have access to league wide revenue data and can easily project the cap number based on revenue sharing rules.

They cleared space beyond the cap limit boost through restructures. That was done purposely for one reason, landing a big fish or two.

I'm so confident in it that I'm almost ready to go buy an authentic Haynesworth jersey.

[GTripp0012]

And, admittedly, the higher cap drives up the price for Haynesworth. So Schneeds' figure is probably a little low in my opinion, since 6/100 appears to be a reality. But if only 35 million gets guarenteed, it's only about 7.5 mil on the 2009 cap still.

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this ass hat.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this ass hat.

Ass hat? A new phrase for me I guess. Ass clown maybe? U can also say he has rectal-cranial inversion, which is personally my favorite to use around the office.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

If you verify this GTripp I am going to throw myself down some stairs. I would rather bring back Ola Kimrin instead of this ass hat.

Hahaha. Amen.

[GTripp0012]

Going to bed as to save a flight of stairs from DirtyLandry.

If I wake up to any form of Ola Kimrin news, your flight of stairs is mine.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

Well I'm not the missing link, but I can vouch for your Suisham comment. I heard the same thing

[LandrySlice]

This is the worst tourcher for me ever, I am literally like an hour from getting on a bus and starting basic training, and it is gonna take me a while to find out what happened with Haynesworth and Hall! Hail to the Skins, and I will begin posting in 9 weeks!!!!

[Son Of Man]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.