Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Really? You do realize he's basically stepped back and handed over the reins to Allen and Shanahan don't you? And then when you look at the way the org has reached out to it's alumni, I would say the winds of change have blown through DC pretty significantly.

Here here Matty. I'm drinking that koolaid too.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Really? You do realize he's basically stepped back and handed over the reins to Allen and Shanahan don't you? And then when you look at the way the org has reached out to it's alumni, I would say the winds of change have blown through DC pretty significantly.

I'm with you on this. As I have stated a while ago I was ready to throw in the towel at the end of this season. I really hate to admit it. I was a beaten man having to sit through the last 17 yrs of mediocracy. Zorn had done it for me. I'll admit it now that I actually was trying to think of another team I could root for cause I simply couldn't stand to see the same BS being put on the field. I told myself significant change would have to happen. I think it was unreasonable to expect the owner to sell a team that was making money so I knew that was not going to happen. So significant change was going to have to start from Cerrato on down. I truly didn't see Snyder getting rid of his long time buddy. Which to me meant more BS. I refused to support that and put any more money into the team in hopes that maybe the team would start to lose money and the owner would think of selling the team.

I was kinda shocked to see Cerrato resign. That was a huge step for me. Also Allen doesn't come to us with an excellent resume' but keep in mind he wasn't bad either. Put him with the right situation and HC and I think he will do well. I question our scouting department, which will decide if Allen did well for this yrs draft, but they couldn't throw the scouting department out knowing we only had a short few months to draft day. Any changes there would need to be made after the draft. Shanahan is a proven HC. People want to throw out there that he has only won 2 SB's. Atleast he's been there. His offenses were #1 for many yrs. Which means if he can change our offense around there will be lots of scoring and lots of cheering. His main issue was he refused to fire a defensive coach that the Bronco's owner wanted fired because he was loyal to him. We kinda have to wait and see what happens here defensively. Haslett is not my idea of a defensive guru and am kinda worried about our defense now but I'm holding out hope that Haslett's best yrs are in front of him and we show up with a winner. See Haslett played in a 3-4. He coached a 3-4 in Pittsburg. I think he tried to coach a 4-3 while with the Saints which didn't go over well and with the Rams which didn't do bad but didn't do well either. We may find out we have a 3-4 guru in Haslett or he may be simply a dud. What Shanahan does with Haslett if he bombs will tell us if Shanahan has learned his lessons.

Snyder on the other hand by all accounts seems to have stepped back as the fans have asked and hired the right people to get the job done. Lets atleast admire him for looking into the mirror and deciding what he was doing was not working and it needed to change. Lets be thankfull that our owner could recognize this and change. I'd hate to be a Dallas fan. The last time Dallas went to the SB Jerry took a hands off approach and let his good ole college buddy Jimmy Johnson take over the team. I think Jimmy left cause Jerry was starting to meddle and has ever since. Which is why I don't think Dallas will go all the way anytime soon. Even though they are supposed to be the top dog. Owners need to let the people who know how to coach, coach. One would think the coach's know what players fit best into their system and not the owner.

As I see it there was enough change in the front office to show me that we were not going to get the same ole BS again. I'm not saying we are on the SB track this yr or next but change was needed from the GM down to show me things would be different. DS constantly peraded his prize toys out on stage everytime and that even changed. He allowed Allen to handle all that. The mere fact that Allen and Shanahan had spoken prior to getting hired anywhere and both agreed they wanted to work together and that we got both shows me the chemistry will be good for once between GM and HC not annymosity and controling. I think 90% of Cerrato's issues were he didn't want to give up control to the HC. He didn't want DS siding with anyone but him. Thankfully that is all gone. Where to I don't know cause I am scared it might return but if what we have now turns out to be a winning combination then all that will be forgotten.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Ok, I am not one of those who believes that we are doing things as we have in the past.

Hell if these guys can get this deal done and get another piece of our offense in place. I am all for it. Just don't want to mortgage our future draft picks is all.

BUT like I mentioned in an earlier post I do not like drafting WR in the draft. These guys seem to miss more than succeed.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Really? You do realize he's basically stepped back and handed over the reins to Allen and Shanahan don't you? And then when you look at the way the org has reached out to it's alumni, I would say the winds of change have blown through DC pretty significantly.

Matty, did things change when Obama became president? Did Obama stop the crazy spending and the stupid revenue draining wars? Not trying to be political, but that is the best analogy that I can come up with. To quote George Carlin, "Forget the politicians, they are just there to make believe you have a choice, you don't, you have owners, they own you." Change general manager/new coach for politicians and you could possibly have the same situation in good ole DC. Like I stated before, the only thing that has thus far changed has been that the FA moves are somewhat smarter, meaning no more $100 million dollar contracts or over the hill old farts way past their prime. Our draft other than our #1 pick was questionable. We wasted picks on an undersize WR and yet another TE that was not needed. Yeah folks like to throw McNabb in as part of our draft, but he was a FA acquisition that cost us picks. Bottom line for me is that the overall philosophy seems to be win now and not really trying to build up the franchise over the long haul, which is what it was before Allen/Shanny was brought on board. I mean wasn't the big change we expected from these two was a solid long term plan to build up a perennial winner other than go for the big name FAs all the time? I know it is going to take time for the new FO to right the wrongs that were done under Vinny, but coming out going heavy on free agency doesn't bode well for me. And as for Snyder stepping back after over a decade of trying to be a clone of Jerry Jones, don't count on that being the case or lasting too long. He still is the guy signing the checks and a man with his ego isn't just going to do a 180 anytime soon.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

On the first statement you know Obama has only been in office for 18 months following the 8 year debacle of Bush. Rome wasn't built in a day man give it some time.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

On the first statement you know Obama has only been in office for 18 months following the 8 year debacle of Bush. Rome wasn't built in a day man give it some time.

Well said.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Ok, I am not one of those who believes that we are doing things as we have in the past.

Hell if these guys can get this deal done and get another piece of our offense in place. I am all for it. Just don't want to mortgage our future draft picks is all.

BUT like I mentioned in an earlier post I do not like drafting WR in the draft. These guys seem to miss more than succeed.

What if (that's IF) we didn't draft a WR in Austin but a kick-butt kick returner?

[warpaint]

Austin doesn't have to do much, seeing as the bar was set so low by ARE.

Thank goodness he is gone what a waste.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by warpaint

Austin doesn't have to do much, seeing as the bar was set so low by ARE.

Thank goodness he is gone what a waste.

I admit when we signed ARE, I was pretty excited simply because he was a very good number 2 in Pittsburg and a solid returner. Then he came to Washington and had maybe 2-3 games with 100 yds receiving and only one good return game that I can remember.. ( colts game). Atleast Santana hasn't been a dissapointment since we traded for him.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

On the first statement you know Obama has only been in office for 18 months following the 8 year debacle of Bush. Rome wasn't built in a day man give it some time.

Plus Obama is my future boss, so from now on I'm going to have to defend him regardless of my political views.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I admit when we signed ARE, I was pretty excited simply because he was a very good number 2 in Pittsburg and a solid returner. Then he came to Washington and had maybe 2-3 games with 100 yds receiving and only one good return game that I can remember.. ( colts game). Atleast Santana hasn't been a dissapointment since we traded for him.

Me to I couldn't wait to start seeing some reverses for TD's and then reality set in.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Plus Obama is my future boss, so from now on I'm going to have to defend him regardless of my political views.

Whats your line of work?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by warpaint

Whats your line of work?

Don't know yet, but it's likely going to end up being either accounting or budget analysis for the federal government. I'm in the process of applying for jobs. You can track my progress on this thread

http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lo...tml#post710521

[dmek25]

how the hell did this go from Jackson to Obama?

[SBXVII]

Gus, I think you used a terrible analogy. I think a GM and HC have a far greater chance of changing around a bad team quicker vs. a new President and a few new Congressmen. Not only is the President working with a far greater debt he has to satisfy other people to agree with him and vote in his policies. A new GM can hire whatever coach he wants, whatever coaching staff he wants, whatever scouting department he wants, and whatever players he thinks he needs with in reason. Yes the owner does write the checks so that is why I said within reason. But with someone like DS who is willing to spend.... Allen and Shanny have a far better chance of changing things at Redskins Park vs. Obama and Congress. Imagine if Allen had to run everything through a group of people who had to vote on whether anything he presented was a good course of action. The Skins would never change.

You would have better off using an anology of a business owner. He can fire all his employees and hire a whole new staff but the business will still continue to be crappy and not succeed if the owner does not change his goals or business plan. Otherwise he gets the same product out of different management and employees.