2011 Senior Bowl Week

skinsfaninok · 01-31-2011, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Do you really want to use a #10 pick on a 50/50 proposition that Locker's problems are fixable? Cam Newton looks like a stud after only one year as a starter and Locker still comes off as a shaky underclassman after 4 years as a starting QB. Right now I like Gabbert and Ponder. Cam is hot, but to me is too much of a tease or gamble. I wish he would have gotten one more year in as a starter.

Newton has horrible accuracy so NO THANKS

BuckSkin · 01-31-2011, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Newton has horrible accuracy so NO THANKS

I posted this in another thread but here you go with questions of Newton's accuracy.

Cam Newton Stats: 188.2 QB Rating, 2589 yds, 28 TD, 6 INT, 65.2 cmp%. With a passer rating of just .6 behind the nation's best. I want a pass rushing freak, but won't be terribly upset with a pick of Cam.

SirClintonPortis · 01-31-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Do you really want to use a #10 pick on a 50/50 proposition that Locker's problems are fixable? Cam Newton looks like a stud after only one year as a starter and Locker still comes off as a shaky underclassman after 4 years as a starting QB. Right now I like Gabbert and Ponder. Cam is hot, but to me is too much of a tease or gamble. I wish he would have gotten one more year in as a starter.

I said I found Mayock's comment interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable.

That does not mean I said "this is a reason we should take him at tenth in the first round".

That does not mean I said "so-and-so should not be taken".

That does not mean "Locker is better than every other QB out there".

I said what Mayock said was interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable. That is all. I did not even mention what I would do. What I would do, given my gigantic ignorance in all things draft, is burn a [nonexistent] 3rd rounder on him in a hypothetical world.

GusFrerotte · 02-01-2011, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I said I found Mayock's comment interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable.

That does not mean I said "this is a reason we should take him at tenth in the first round".

That does not mean I said "so-and-so should not be taken".

That does not mean "Locker is better than every other QB out there".

I said what Mayock said was interesting. I said it may possibly mean one of Locker's issues may be partially fixable. That is all. I did not even mention what I would do. What I would do, given my gigantic ignorance in all things draft, is burn a [nonexistent] 3rd rounder on him in a hypothetical world.

Not nailing you CP, just the media's love affair with Locker. I figured you were just going along with the article. I found it rather amusing how all the booth guys for the Nebraska vs Wash bowl game were fawning over the kid, even though his passing game was crap. The kid blows chunks for a 4 year starter. As for Cam, I rather get Gabbert or Ponder, but Cam gets the nod over Locker anyday. When guys were talking about Locker in here last year as a possible QB for us I gagged. Guy was a INT machine.

CultBrennan59 · 01-30-2011, 01:33 AM

How did Phil Taylor, Andy Dalton, Vincent Brown, Titus Young, Austin Pettis and Casey Matthews look in this game?

SirClintonPortis · 01-30-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

How did Phil Taylor, Andy Dalton, Vincent Brown, Titus Young, Austin Pettis and Casey Matthews look in this game?

I wasn't actually paying much attention, but Taylor did power over a guard in the game.

diehard · 01-30-2011, 04:49 AM

Caught a glimpse of the game. Hopefully it re-airs today, early.

Longtimefan · 01-30-2011, 10:36 AM

I voted QB but, with so many areas of need, a case can be made for every position listed in the poll choices. We should take a QB only if one can be found deemed to be the longterm solution to the problem at the position. Otherwise, make an attempt to trade out and help fill the other needy areas.

Paintrain · 01-30-2011, 09:18 PM

The more I watch Jake Locker, the more I see Heath Shuler.. Dude is gonna be terrible and I hope we are NOWHERE near him!

GusFrerotte · 01-31-2011, 08:46 PM

I still don't see the media's love affair with Locker. A 4 year starter in the same system should be rather sharp with his throws, etc. Every time he has the limelight in a nationally televised game the last two years I come away not impressed. Guy is inaccurate, throws floaters too often, and looks out of rhythm whenever he plays a big game(the ones I have watched anyway). Nebraska totally sucked in the bowl game, and Jake had to win it with his feet. The strategy was obvious to keep Locker from having to win the game with his arm, which has to raise some flags about his being able to excel at the next level. How can Cam Newton look so damn sharp with this his only year as a starter, and Locker looking sort of ragged. And please, don't give me this crap about how the Shanahans can groom the kid. The only titles Shanahan has won was with "The Natural" Elway who didn't need any grooming when he came under Reeves wing.

skinsfaninok · 01-31-2011, 08:53 PM

At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.

SBXVII · 01-31-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.

Umm, I'm all for trading out of the #10 pick in order to pick up more picks since we can use all the picks we can get, but.... I find it interesting how no matter where we are in the draft people have the oppinion that there is no draftee worth taking at any given spot. Unless of course it's in the 3rd round or beyond. In any event I'd rather see the Skins take Ponder or Dalton in later rounds at this point.

freddyg12 · 02-01-2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.

If Miller is gone I think this makes the most sense. Minimize the risk of taking a qb by taking one later in the 1st or early 2nd.

SkinzWin · 02-01-2011, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick.

Not necessarily. Everyone said the same thing about Orakpo. I think if teams ahead of us don't make stupid reaches for players they want, like with Oakland taking Darius Heyward-Bey at #7, REALLY!?!, then he won't be there. But I'm not so certain teams won't reach for a certain need like they did last year. I'd love to have Miller. I've been pulling for him since the beginning of talk about this year's draft class.

freddyg12 · 02-01-2011, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Not necessarily. Everyone said the same thing about Orakpo. I think if teams ahead of us don't make stupid reaches for players they want, like with Oakland taking Darius Heyward-Bey at #7, REALLY!?!, then he won't be there. But I'm not so certain teams won't reach for a certain need like they did last year. I'd love to have Miller. I've been pulling for him since the beginning of talk about this year's draft class.

Miller is great, but is he a little on the small side? He looked like a strong safety in the sr. bowl.

While I would love to see another great OLB on this D, I would rather have more quality picks. As usual, this team is faced w/a draft lacking picks in the high value rounds w/no 3rd or 4th. Either way, if Miller falls like you mention above, it's good for us, either we take him or it increases the likelihood of a trading partner.

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01-30-2011, 01:33 AM	#5
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week How did Phil Taylor, Andy Dalton, Vincent Brown, Titus Young, Austin Pettis and Casey Matthews look in this game? __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

01-30-2011, 10:36 AM	#8
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week I voted QB but, with so many areas of need, a case can be made for every position listed in the poll choices. We should take a QB only if one can be found deemed to be the longterm solution to the problem at the position. Otherwise, make an attempt to trade out and help fill the other needy areas. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

01-30-2011, 09:18 PM	#9
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week The more I watch Jake Locker, the more I see Heath Shuler.. Dude is gonna be terrible and I hope we are NOWHERE near him! __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-31-2011, 08:53 PM	#11
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week At this point I'd really like to trade down or out of the first.. Load up on picks.. I don't see any player at 10 making an impact right away.. Miller will be gone and so will Peterson and Prince. As for qb YUCK! Locker's stock is falling fast I've heard and Gabbert will be gone before we pick. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

01-30-2011, 04:49 AM	#7
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week Caught a glimpse of the game. Hopefully it re-airs today, early. __________________ *'Any NFL team will win with RG3. Imagine how exciting it will be watching him do it.'*

01-31-2011, 08:46 PM	#10
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: 2011 Senior Bowl Week I still don't see the media's love affair with Locker. A 4 year starter in the same system should be rather sharp with his throws, etc. Every time he has the limelight in a nationally televised game the last two years I come away not impressed. Guy is inaccurate, throws floaters too often, and looks out of rhythm whenever he plays a big game(the ones I have watched anyway). Nebraska totally sucked in the bowl game, and Jake had to win it with his feet. The strategy was obvious to keep Locker from having to win the game with his arm, which has to raise some flags about his being able to excel at the next level. How can Cam Newton look so damn sharp with this his only year as a starter, and Locker looking sort of ragged. And please, don't give me this crap about how the Shanahans can groom the kid. The only titles Shanahan has won was with "The Natural" Elway who didn't need any grooming when he came under Reeves wing.

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