Updated Title: World Revolution 2011

[12thMan]

Yeah, no laws were broken. Just a lot of politicking and postering from some old farts whose asses are on the line in 2012.

[Alvin Walton]

Peacekeeping mission?


We're blowing up his tanks and his trucks and planes and troops and command centers so the rebels will be able to take over the country.
Thats not peacekeeping, that's asskicking.

It's almost like we are hired mercs for the rebels.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Peacekeeping mission?


We're blowing up his tanks and his trucks and planes and troops and command centers so the rebels will be able to take over the country.
Thats not peacekeeping, that's asskicking.

It's almost like we are hired mercs for the rebels.

I understand your perception. But it is called a peace keeping mission because without it Qaddafy would be slaughtering huge numbers of people.

Perhaps better than "peace keeping" we should call it "massacre inhibiting."

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Perhaps better than "peace keeping" we should call it "massacre inhibiting."

Couldn't part of what we did in Iraq count as "massacre inhibiting".

Human rights in Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[BuckSkin]

A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
With that said the United States has only declared war 5 times in it's entire history. Clinton set the precedent with Operation Desert Fox and his two successors have followed suit.

[Alvin Walton]

Obama has now fired more cruise missiles than all other Nobel Peace prize winners combined.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BuckSkin

A declaration of war is a formal declaration issued by a national government indicating that a state of war exists between that nation and another. For the United States, Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution says "Congress shall have power to ... declare War". The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.
With that said the United States has only declared war 5 times in it's entire history. Clinton set the precedent with Operation Desert Fox and his two successors have followed suit.

What about the Korean "War?"

[SmootSmack]

Meanwhile in Yemen...

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Meanwhile in Yemen...

It seems unlikely that places like Egypt and Tunisia will go the way of al Qaeda. Yemen, however, is a different story. It could easily come to resemble a failed state like Somalia and serve as a paradise for al Qaeda activity.

If this analysis is correct, should we get involved or not? Our involvement could backfire. Our noninvolvement could backfire.

[12thMan]

I think Yemen is different because, well, they are cooperating with us on al-Queda. So they are helping to serve our national security interest, as odd as that seems.

[BuckSkin]

After the Japanese surrender in WWII, the Allies divided the Korean peninsula at the 38 parallel(much the same as the majority of Europe). United States was assigned protectorate of modern day South Korea and the Soviets in the north. When the North Koreans invaded the US was forced onto the conflict by treaty. The same would happen today if say..... a member of NATO was invaded.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by BuckSkin

After the Japanese surrender in WWII, the Allies divided the Korean peninsula at the 38 parallel(much the same as the majority of Europe). United States was assigned protectorate of modern day South Korea and the Soviets in the north. When the North Koreans invaded the US was forced onto the conflict by treaty. The same would happen today if say..... a member of NATO was invaded.

In other words we didn't declare war and the United Nations gave us permission to go to war.

[BuckSkin]

Originally Posted by saden1

In other words we didn't declare war and the United Nations gave us permission to go to war.

The Treaty (which has to be registered with the UN) with South Korea mandated that the US come to their aid when the North invaded. Failure to comply with a treaty is like breach of contract, in that a nation can be "liable" under International Law.

[Alvin Walton]

Looks like Syria could be going tits up soon too.

[firstdown]

So now after 9 days Obama is addressing the American people on his illegal war for oil. So far he has said bla, bla, bla.