What is Matt Flynn Worth to the Redskins

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

TJ Yates has done more on the field than Flynn, so why are people hyping Flynn like he's the next Joe Montana?


There is a reason why Flynn was a late round talent and why Rodgers was a 1st round talent. I don't think I see anything identical about those two.

Draft position is meaningless. Jason Campbell was selected 1 spot behind Rodgers, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, Brady was a 6th rounder, Brees a second, etc.. Flynn could turn out to be a bust, but his draft position doesn't mean a thing.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Draft position is meaningless. Jason Campbell was selected 1 spot behind Rodgers, Kurt Warner wasn't drafted, Brady was a 6th rounder, Brees a second, etc.. Flynn could turn out to be a bust, but his draft position doesn't mean a thing.

I wasn't referencing the draft position. Notice I said NOTHING in regards to their position. I said 1st round talent and late round talent. I'm referencing the grades they were given on their abilities.


This whole Flynn shit reminds me of the whole Cult Brennan fiasco. Dude had a stellar pre-season and all of a sudden he's All-Pro.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

TJ Yates has done more on the field than Flynn, so why are people hyping Flynn like he's the next Joe Montana?


There is a reason why Flynn was a late round talent and why Rodgers was a 1st round talent. I don't think I see anything identical about those two.

Because Flynn is an unrestricted free agent that won't cost draft picks for years to come and because Green Bay back-ups have a pretty good track record and because he's had 4 years to develop. Meanwhile, Yates is a rookie under contract and his coaches thought Matt Leinart was more worthy of being Matt Scaub's back-up. Doesn't mean he won't turn out to be legit. Just 2 totally different set of circumstances.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

TJ Yates has done more on the field than Flynn, so why are people hyping Flynn like he's the next Joe Montana?


There is a reason why Flynn was a late round talent and why Rodgers was a 1st round talent. I don't think I see anything identical about those two.

Rodgers was once a 2nd stringer behind a great qb and people questioned him based on little play.. not saying he's another Rodgers... but that doesn't mean he is Curtis Painter either

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Rodgers was once a 2nd stringer behind a great qb and people questioned him based on little play.. not saying he's another Rodgers... but that doesn't mean he is Curtis Painter either

Rodgers was drafted as a #1 QB. He was to take over the reigns for Farve when he walked away. It just happened that Brett took longer than they probably wanted. Rodgers was already telling them if they weren't going to start him, he wanted out after his rookie contract ended.


Flynn on the other hand was drafted to be a backup. They'd laugh if he told them the same thing. Huge difference.

[skinsfaninok]

No flynn has proven in two starts he can get it done brennan never even got on the field

[NYCskinfan82]

I don't know if it will be Flynn but we have to sign a QB in the FA period. That way if we decide to trade up in the draft teams can't demand the world. We are going to pay alot to trade up, but it will be alot more if we don't have a contingency plan.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I don't know if it will be Flynn but we have to sign a QB in the FA period. That way if we decide to trade up in the draft teams can't demand the world. We are going to pay alot to trade up, but it will be alot more if we don't have a contingency plan.

Yup. And that FA can't be Rex, because he gives us no leverage

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yup. And that FA can't be Rex, because he gives us no leverage

As much as I don't like your idea of Orton, he would bring in more leverage than Rex at this point and he's probably the least expensive contingency plan.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I don't know if it will be Flynn but we have to sign a QB in the FA period. That way if we decide to trade up in the draft teams can't demand the world. We are going to pay alot to trade up, but it will be alot more if we don't have a contingency plan.

But...but...we have Beck already.

[redsk1]

Big assumption but assuming MS likes Flynn, I wouldn't be opposed to offering him a contract and using a high draft pick on a QB. I don't think Matt Flynn will get huge money. Let's look who needs a QB:
Cleveland- Will most likely draft one
Miami- Just went thru several seasons w/ Henne, are they willing to gamble again w/ Flynn?
Seattle-Maybe

So you get Flynn & Griffin/Tannehill/Foles/or anyone else MS likes.

Flynn Starts year 1. There's a few scenarios:
1. Flynn is very good. This is the best scenario. Now you have a good problem, a good starter and a legit trade piece.
2. Flynn is bad. You've got a young QB ready to take over.
3. Flynn is mediocre. You've still got a guy ready to take over.

We've got some money to play w/. Don't break the bank but it's worth the discussion and I'm sure they've had it.

We're assuming the Shanahan think highly enough of Flynn.

[chrisl13]

Originally Posted by redsk1

Big assumption but assuming MS likes Flynn, I wouldn't be opposed to offering him a contract and using a high draft pick on a QB. I don't think Matt Flynn will get huge money. Let's look who needs a QB:
Cleveland- Will most likely draft one
Miami- Just went thru several seasons w/ Henne, are they willing to gamble again w/ Flynn?
Seattle-Maybe

So you get Flynn & Griffin/Tannehill/Foles/or anyone else MS likes.

Flynn Starts year 1. There's a few scenarios:
1. Flynn is very good. This is the best scenario. Now you have a good problem, a good starter and a legit trade piece.
2. Flynn is bad. You've got a young QB ready to take over.
3. Flynn is mediocre. You've still got a guy ready to take over.

We've got some money to play w/. Don't break the bank but it's worth the discussion and I'm sure they've had it.

We're assuming the Shanahan think highly enough of Flynn.

You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by chrisl13

You think if we found a way to get Flynn and Griffin, and Flynn does well, we would really trade Griffin?

The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Kevin Kolb - 5 Years $63 Million - $20 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.

Don't think you can compare Flynn to these guys those. Schaub and Kolb were both higher round picks with higher grades on their potential/skills. Cassell and Fitzpatrick played well for more than just 2 games. They did it for a whole season.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

The top free agent QB is going to want to make sure that he gets a one year grace period when it comes to acquiring other top tier QB prospects. I seriously doubt that drafting RGIII would sit well with him not to mention it would negate the flexibility that Matt Flynn would give us in the draft to take the BPA.

And make no mistake about it. Matt Flynn is not going to come cheap. Maybe cheap by Peyton Manning/Tom Brady QB standards. Still look at what these unproven but highly touted QB's got.


2007 - Matt Schuab - 6 Years $48 Million - $7 Million Signing Bonus
2009 - Matt Cassell - 6 Years $63 Million - $28 Million Signing Bonus
2011 - Ryan Fitzpatrick - 6 Years $59 Million $15 Million Signing Bonus

If any of you think that Flynn would come with a low signing bonus and a $4 million a year cap hit at most then you're nuts.

I'm not sure he's going to get that type of money, as those 3 above. Flynn has started 2 games, I believe. The 3 above all had 1 season + in starts. Flynn is a bit of an unknown.

I'm not sure I see him getting over 25-30 million. It wouldn't totalling surprise me though. I guess it depends what the scouts see in him. I just don't see that much demand.