Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

Kindoy · 05-01-2012, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

What ifs can be played with every prospect. No prospect is doomed to failure or guaranteed for success on draft day because there is simply no way to know that. It's that inbetween called "possible"; every pick is based on measuring the probability of someone panning out. They believed Kirk was the guy with the better probability to make it rather than guys at another position.

True, but his what ifs or might's are things like "he might bring us a good draft pick" or "he might get on the field" and not just "he might be good when he plays". We don't even know if he'll get a chance to play. It's like we have to get passed one uncertainty in order to get to another one.

REDSKINS4ever · 05-01-2012, 06:20 AM

I've heard someone say that Cousins is more pro ready than Robert Griffin. To me it doesn't matter. I think the draft selection of Cousins was a good and decent one. Does anybody remember what the level of QB was like in 2011 for the Washington Redskins? Rex Grossman was signed to a 1 year deal. That said, RG3 is taken with the 2nd overall pick in the NFL draft because the quarterback play left much to be desired last season. Kirk Cousins was projected to be a second round draft choice. Why was he still there by the early fourth round? No one ever knows how an NFL draft will play out. With a prospect the level of Cousins, you can't pass on him if he's available. So, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen decided it was in the best interest of the Redskins to take him. Good bye and good riddance, John Beck.

The draft selection of Cousins in the early 4th round was the right decision for the Redskins.

Bushead · 05-01-2012, 09:14 AM

I'm so confused by this so called controversy.

The redskins when the off season began had no long-term solution to QB at any of the 3 spots. Rex couldn't start, Beck couldn't be a back up and there really wasn't a No. 3 last year. So that's two QBs that have to be found this year to be a solution.

The ideal QB situation is your starter, veteran and then young development player. It's clear that's exactly what they got with RGIII, Rex and Cousins.

So now, if RGIII has some sort of injury, we aren't stuck thinking about just Rex. Do you guys want Rex as your long-term back up? They have someone who is athletic, who was rated very highly (so it was a steal), someone who fits the system, stuck with a BPA mentality... it goes on and on.

There is no controversy. They drafted 3 O-linemen and 2 secondary players -- they still met their needs with at least adding some talent.

Kindoy · 05-01-2012, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushead

I'm so confused by this so called controversy.

The redskins when the off season began had no long-term solution to QB at any of the 3 spots. Rex couldn't start, Beck couldn't be a back up and there really wasn't a No. 3 last year. So that's two QBs that have to be found this year to be a solution.

The ideal QB situation is your starter, veteran and then young development player. It's clear that's exactly what they got with RGIII, Rex and Cousins.

So now, if RGIII has some sort of injury, we aren't stuck thinking about just Rex. Do you guys want Rex as your long-term back up? They have someone who is athletic, who was rated very highly (so it was a steal), someone who fits the system, stuck with a BPA mentality... it goes on and on.

There is no controversy. They drafted 3 O-linemen and 2 secondary players -- they still met their needs with at least adding some talent.

The two secondary players came in the second round though. I could argue our best secondary pick up was an UDFA. The only problem i have is that the Cousins pick is that we could've used that pick to fill our needs more effectively, not the fact that it was Cousins himself. I'm fine with the QB situation now, I'm actually happy with it. I just wish we would've taken a safety, corner, or lineman in the 4th and a young development QB in the 7th.

mredskins · 05-01-2012, 09:25 AM

I could careless if Cousins or RGIII was our Super Bowl MVP. Let the best man win.

exit0 · 05-01-2012, 05:13 PM

Personally, I'm 50/50 on this pick and pretty much agree with lots from both sides. One idea that I think is totally absurd is the opinion that the Skins should have drafted a "bad" QB to groom as backup? Makes no sense... you gotta get the best players on the team as possible. And its not like anybody was saying Cousins is the next Aaron Rodgers.

While I like the pick to have hopefully two really good QBs who are YOUNG and not passed their prime like McNabb was, I might have preferred like many here that they would have drafted where there was more need and then get another QB in the later rounds or next year.

BTW... Skip Bayless is NOT an idiot and First Take is an excellent program for those who actually watch the whole show and not just short video clips. However, Skip was definitely wrong on this and made a big deal out of nothing imo. And to bring in the race card where there is none with this issue was really ridiculous as both Mangini and Stephen A. Smith told him.

SmootSmack · 05-01-2012, 05:21 PM

First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration

As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!!

Hog1 · 05-01-2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration

As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!!

Summo took a day off?
Heard he was.....Bentley shopping

Ruhskins · 05-01-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration

As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!!

The Cult of Cous? LOL

JoeRedskin · 05-01-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration

As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!!

I have only watched it recently. And every time I have watched it, I've seen 1 or 2 good guests on it and wondered why they would appear on a show with such an idiot like skip bayless.
I have only seen him on this show and, each time I watched, he was a complete ass.

NC_Skins · 05-01-2012, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I have only watched it recently. And every time I have watched it, I've seen 1 or 2 good guests on it and wondered why they would appear on a show with such an idiot like skip bayless.
I have only seen him on this show and, each time I watched, he was a complete ass.

I will not watch anything that Bayless is a part of and not because this particular thing(even though this is his crowning moment in douchebaggery). He's been a jack-wad forever and it really just takes away from the show. Unlike many people, I'll just stop watching a show once it becomes a crap.

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Skip can't be a tool. Tools are useful. Skip on the other hand is not.

This.

JoeRedskin · 05-01-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kindoy

A 4th rounder becomes "a lot to spend" when you have a rookie quarterback (or two) to go along with no first round picks in the next two drafts

Which is all the more reason to get the quality depth now for the most important position on the team. Now, rather than trying to find a decent backup quarterback in future drafts, we can focus on skill positions and linemen. All the while developing a solid backup.

Kindoy · 05-01-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Which is all the more reason to get the quality depth now for the most important position on the team. Now, rather than trying to find a decent backup quarterback in future drafts, we can focus on skill positions and linemen. All the while developing a solid backup.

I guess I just feel that we should've focused on skill/lineman in the post RG3 rounds this year since we had a QB in the bag and skill/lineman depth became a more important need IMO

SmootSmack · 05-01-2012, 11:07 PM

Skip is among those whose talents are being wasted on First Take. Unlike others though, much of it is his own doing

working on a nickname for my Cousins bandwagon.

Giantone · 05-02-2012, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Skip is among those whose talents are being wasted on First Take.

What talent other then being a Tony Romo promoter does he have?

05-01-2012, 06:20 AM	#2
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 I've heard someone say that Cousins is more pro ready than Robert Griffin. To me it doesn't matter. I think the draft selection of Cousins was a good and decent one. Does anybody remember what the level of QB was like in 2011 for the Washington Redskins? Rex Grossman was signed to a 1 year deal. That said, RG3 is taken with the 2nd overall pick in the NFL draft because the quarterback play left much to be desired last season. Kirk Cousins was projected to be a second round draft choice. Why was he still there by the early fourth round? No one ever knows how an NFL draft will play out. With a prospect the level of Cousins, you can't pass on him if he's available. So, Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen decided it was in the best interest of the Redskins to take him. Good bye and good riddance, John Beck. The draft selection of Cousins in the early 4th round was the right decision for the Redskins.

05-01-2012, 09:14 AM	#3
Bushead Impact Rookie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 782	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 I'm so confused by this so called controversy. The redskins when the off season began had no long-term solution to QB at any of the 3 spots. Rex couldn't start, Beck couldn't be a back up and there really wasn't a No. 3 last year. So that's two QBs that have to be found this year to be a solution. The ideal QB situation is your starter, veteran and then young development player. It's clear that's exactly what they got with RGIII, Rex and Cousins. So now, if RGIII has some sort of injury, we aren't stuck thinking about just Rex. Do you guys want Rex as your long-term back up? They have someone who is athletic, who was rated very highly (so it was a steal), someone who fits the system, stuck with a BPA mentality... it goes on and on. There is no controversy. They drafted 3 O-linemen and 2 secondary players -- they still met their needs with at least adding some talent.

05-01-2012, 09:25 AM	#5
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,234	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 I could careless if Cousins or RGIII was our Super Bowl MVP. Let the best man win. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

05-01-2012, 05:13 PM	#6
exit0 Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Va. Posts: 87	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 Personally, I'm 50/50 on this pick and pretty much agree with lots from both sides. One idea that I think is totally absurd is the opinion that the Skins should have drafted a "bad" QB to groom as backup? Makes no sense... you gotta get the best players on the team as possible. And its not like anybody was saying Cousins is the next Aaron Rodgers. While I like the pick to have hopefully two really good QBs who are YOUNG and not passed their prime like McNabb was, I might have preferred like many here that they would have drafted where there was more need and then get another QB in the later rounds or next year. BTW... Skip Bayless is NOT an idiot and First Take is an excellent program for those who actually watch the whole show and not just short video clips. However, Skip was definitely wrong on this and made a big deal out of nothing imo. And to bring in the race card where there is none with this issue was really ridiculous as both Mangini and Stephen A. Smith told him.

05-01-2012, 05:21 PM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 First Take has become a shell of what it once was. Too much talent is being wasted there and I know there's a lot of frustration As for Cousins, when are we getting the avatar???!!!! __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-01-2012, 11:07 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 Skip is among those whose talents are being wasted on First Take. Unlike others though, much of it is his own doing working on a nickname for my Cousins bandwagon. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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