Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.

It's certainly one of the more obtuse. If only she had been a better mother.....

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.

Yeah, the whole situation in CT makes arguments of the type, "If only someone else had a gun...", even more ludicrous than they already were.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yeah, the whole situation in CT makes arguments of the type, "If only someone else had a gun...", even more ludicrous than they already were.

Would it make the statement easier to comprehend, do you think, if it were more accurately stated as "If only someone had a gun and were able to use it" instead of couching it in an obviously loaded (no pun intended) way?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Would it make the statement easier to comprehend, do you think, if it were more accurately stated as "If only someone had a gun and were able to use it" instead of couching it in an obviously loaded (no pun intended) way?

No. Your revision does not make the statement easier to comprehend. It also does not make the statement any less ludicrous.

It is not difficult to see that if the problem is that there are too many guns, adding guns is not a solution, whether people know how to use those guns or not.

I live in the 21st century and thus am not swayed by this 18th century argument of the gun lobby.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

No. Your revision does not make the statement easier to comprehend. It also does not make the statement any less ludicrous.

It is not difficult to see that if the problem is that there are too many guns, adding guns is not a solution, whether people know how to use those guns or not.

I live in the 21st century and thus am not swayed by this 18th century argument of the gun lobby.

You're thinking of the musket lobby. How are you defining 'too many guns'? I have one, it has always been exactly the right amount, I wouldn't presume to tell anyone how many they should have, and that amount includes zero.

Please do me the favor of reading this rehash of the data by John Lott.

I appreciate your thoughts, Lotus, even though I may not agree.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.

Actually its pretty stupid because its his mother.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Actually its pretty stupid because its his mother.

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS!

I don't think people buy guns ever thinking they need to protect themself from their own child. So it is stupid. I don't think when you here your son coming up the steps you grab a gun just in case he has decided to kill you. Lets say I buy into that and she did not own and asult rifle. I guess he would have just went on his way and not used another type of gun.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by mredskins

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS!

A crime was committed initially when he took her gun without her permission. She should have secured the weapon correctly, he shouldn't have taken it.

Who's to say he wouldn't have used another method to dispatch his mother if she had secured the weapons?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

A crime was committed initially when he took her gun without her permission. She should have secured the weapon correctly, he shouldn't have taken it.

Who's to say he wouldn't have used another method to dispatch his mother if she had secured the weapons?

He didn't steal the guns. He killed her and inherited them.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by mredskins

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS!

She was asleep when he shot her. Please tell me about what heroic feats you perform while asleep.

That is the most idiotic thing I have read on the internet this year.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

No it's quite ironic seeing that every gun argument out there is we need to arm ourselves against evil yet his mom had guns and should could not stop him; SHE ACTUALLY HELPED HIM BY HAVING THE GUNS!

Yup.

So you gun fans, guarantee me that there is zero percent chance that a gun of yours will not be stolen and used to kill children. Zero percent chance. If you cannot make me this guarantee, then you can appreciate the important point that mredskins is trying to make.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yup.

So you gun fans, guarantee me that there is zero percent chance that a gun of yours will not be stolen and used to kill children. Zero percent chance. If you cannot make me this guarantee, then you can appreciate the important point that mredskins is trying to make.

Always making demands.

There is zero % chance my Glock could ever be found, let alone stolen. Now what guarantees do we have from you that our rights under the Constitution will remain intact?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yup.

So you gun fans, guarantee me that there is zero percent chance that a gun of yours will not be stolen and used to kill children. Zero percent chance. If you cannot make me this guarantee, then you can appreciate the important point that mredskins is trying to make.

I can.

[RedskinRat]

And if we're going to throw out soundbite style quotes, I like this one from US News:

With just one single exception, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the United States in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.