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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plenty of people do say MS is a prick, a liar, a fraud who only ever won because of Elway and Davis.

1. Why 6 wins? Am I missing something? Anyhow, yes I do believe those teams were much better suited for short term success.

2. I expected and still do around .500 this year and a winning record and playoffs by next year that would continue with regularity after that

Six wins better because i was comparing their record to the current team. I guess five would be more fair although this year is off to 1-2 so thats why i said six.
Ok thank you - so next year is the year you think that all shannys moves and his vision will translate to wins. Seems to be about the normal thought. I hope so. If they do i will say - wow shanny really had me going those first three years i thought maybe he was not on track for this.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This is the biggest reason I didn't want Shanahan here, because too many people would think "well damn he should just win here instantly"

Anyone who thoght that was / is delusional. I havent questioned shanny until now. Year three. Maybe my creeping doubt is premature. I sure hope so.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

And Okie contrary to the backlash im taking for offering up the opinion that maybe shanny isnt doing a good job i do believe he was / is / could be again a great coach. Maybe the problem lies elswhere - his oc and dc - just dumb luck? I dont know. Im certainly not a debbie downer or a pessimistic skins fan. I do realize whole heartedly the damage that was done to the fabric of our team by vinny. I guess it just bothers me slightly that shanallen and this new regime are being hailed as saviors when they havent saved anything. Im not saying they wont im saying they havent yet so can we hold back on the thank you letters until they do. Can wr reserve judgement until i see it translates into wins. Why does that put me in the doom and gloom category? Lol

I understand where u are coming from when u say that shanny may not be the coach we thought he was because we haven't won in so long that who is the right guy? Your not the only one who is having doubt but I want to finish the season and hopefully win around 8 games to start something for next year

[MTK]

How about we finish this talk after the season?

All this doom and gloom after 3 games is slightly ridiculous.

It's a long season folks, buckle up.

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Fair enough. Not doom and gloom though. Just concern for my team. Maybe unwarranted concern as i have stated. Lets beat tampa either way!

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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Matty do you not see any reasoning in the fact that shanny should not be loved by skins fans UNTIL he wins? I see alot of the same people that praise shanny now say things like gibbs shouldnt have come back. Gibbs went to the playoffs twice Shanny gets alot of love here because of his past success. How come it was so easy to overlook gibbs past success?

I didnt realize I was supposed to hate RG3 until he won a SB in a Redskins uniform, my bad, wont happen again. I will make sure to hate every Redskin player, coach, front office staff, secretary, and announcer that has anything to do with the team from now til that SB crown is achieved.

[MTK]

I don't think anyone is saying Shanahan has done an A+ job here. But I don't think it's fair to say things like all he's done that's noteworthy was to bring in RG3 or his 2 SB wins were a complete fluke. That's a little short sighted if you ask me and really not an intelligent discussion.

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

I didnt realize I was supposed to hate RG3 until he won a SB in a Redskins uniform, my bad, wont happen again. I will make sure to hate every Redskin player, coach, front office staff, secretary, and announcer that has anything to do with the team from now til that SB crown is achieved.

Typical extremist comment. Dont quote me and than twist my words around just to make a splash. There is a huge, i repeat huge difference in saying i want more wins than losses and i want superbowls. Lol. I have not said one thing that even remotely resembles what you are implying that i said. Please.

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think anyone is saying Shanahan has done an A+ job here. But I don't think it's fair to say things like all he's done that's noteworthy was to bring in RG3 or his 2 SB wins were a complete fluke. That's a little short sighted if you ask me and really not an intelligent discussion.

I also never said this. It is hard to have an intelligent discussion when everyone is either an uber optimist or an uber pessimist though?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There is no objective argument in favor of the job Mike Shanahan has done here. None. Just people who don't yet want to admit they were wrong.

Sorry if you're still holding out hope, but it's the truth.

I say we put RG3 through the same thing JC went through.. 5 different offenses in 6 seasons. Shanahan hasn't even filled his contract out yet, and we are only 3 games in to this season and everyone is on the "In with the new" phase again. It's the main reason this franchise is in shambles.

Nobody is holding out hope, that don't have a right to do so. I HOPE we don't fire Shanahan just yet. I HOPE that Snyder doesn't listen to some of the fans and couch coaches we have on here that soak most of their football knowledge in from clicking on espn.com or coming to this forum board that is a cesspool of hypocritical impatient moronic fans.

[SmootSmack]

But people have said it. Not every post is a direct response to you punch

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Originally Posted by Bucket

I say we put RG3 through the same thing JC went through.. 5 different offenses in 6 seasons. Shanahan hasn't even filled his contract out yet, and we are only 3 games in to this season and everyone is on the "In with the new" phase again. It's the main reason this franchise is in shambles.

Nobody is holding out hope, that don't have a right to do so. I HOPE we don't fire Shanahan just yet. I HOPE that Snyder doesn't listen to some of the fans and couch coaches we have on here that soak most of their football knowledge in from clicking on espn.com or coming to this forum board that is a cesspool of hypocritical impatient moronic fans.

Im pretty sure the skins brass is not paying attention to us so i wouldnt worry about it. How can you call people names because they are alittle fed up with losing. Nobody said fire shanahan. What people have said is until he wins im not going to gush over him! You dont know if he is on the rite track until it translates to wins. Jesus. Dont be so quick to jump all over people and call them morons and make yourself out to be a better footbdll mind than everyone if you dont even understand what they are saying. I repeat nobody said fire shanahan they ( and me) said can we hold off until he wins ( in washington). Very proud of what he did in denver but i dont give a crap im not a friggin broncos fan. This is just ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

But people have said it. Not every post is a direct response to you punch

I realize that and dont mean to come across like i dont. Sorry. However this morning me and gtripp are saying one thing - were not ready to hoist shanny on our shoulders. People are quoting my simple thoughts and making them out to be crazy - fire shanny - superbowl or bust nonsense? So as of this mirning alot of this is directed at me.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Typical extremist comment. Dont quote me and than twist my words around just to make a splash. There is a huge, i repeat huge difference in saying i want more wins than losses and i want superbowls. Lol. I have not said one thing that even remotely resembles what you are implying that i said. Please.

Extremist comment... Kind of like saying that Denver only won because of Elway and that Shanny had absolutely zero reason for that. Denver couldnt break through with Elway until Shanny arrived. Or that taking a 10 loss team that just lost what was considered one of the best QB's to ever play the game and taking it to 10-6, 10-6, 13-3 team in consecutive seasons is actually not good coaching, but is, in fact, driving the team into the ground.

You dont like the extremist comments that go against you, you dont have a problem with the ones that go for you. Dont complain about extremists comments when plenty of people sharing your side of the argument have spouted plenty off without a word from you.

Everyone seems to say wins and losses are all about the coach until its a coach they dont like and then they say the wins are because of the players and the losses are on the coach. I think people just need to make up their mind on exactly which one it is. Is it all coaches, all players, or a mix of both?

AS for the crux of your comment, I love the fact that we got RG3. I refuse to hate him until a *9-7* season happens. Better?