Steelers 27 Skins 12 post game thread

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Whether he's open for the catch is irrelavent. One of the hardest hitting safeties in pro football is sitting back there. Just irresponsible (and desperate) to put your franchise QB, the only guy making your offense work, in that position.

Again, the hypocrisy between how fans hold Zorn accountable but not Shanahan is just mind-blowing. If anything, Zorn should be given the benefit of the doubt because he had much less to work with offensively and he was a newer coach. Just mind-blowing...

It kinda is relevant. If he's wide open the play is an easy TD and we're probably all singing the praises of the play. Since he wasn't open Morgan should have thrown it away, end of play, he doesn't get hit.

[The Goat]

I guess I have a hard time believing Morgan had the arm to zip it in there w/o giving Clark, again a very tough/quick/smart safety, plenty of time to close and potentially lay a monster hit on the next John Elway. Had they ever seen Morgan throw before? That pass hung in the air long enough for M Williams to get underneath it (ohhhh snap!).

Dumb play. Bad call. C'mon man.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

No. Players shouldn't have to "think" for the coaches for eff sakes. It was a playcall/design you'd expect from Jim Zorn.

Edit: the differing reactions though just floor me, and I can't get over it. Zorn was/would be lambasted by everyone here and the entire media for swining gate, which is the equivelant of what we saw last Sunday. Yet the Shanahans are largely given a pass. I guess that's the benefit given to legacy coaches.

I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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I think he logged in as someone else and tried to disrupt the Matrix, but an agent (SmootSmack) tracked him within seconds and banned his digital a$$ into oblivion.

Can't believe I'm still seeing Matrix costumes out here...even the good ones seem stupid.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I wasnt on the board for the Zorny days. Did he garner any support from anyone?


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No.

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Originally Posted by los panda

if he's wide open, the safety isn't sitting back there...

i just said that if shanny didn't make it clear to morgan (not to throw the ball unless griff was wide open), then he is accountable for that mistake.

Well when we say wide open do we mean running free in back of the entire teams secondary ( flashback of Cruz - make it stop) because he could be open for the catch with a safety lining up a huge hit - no? Catch - turn - two steps - BANG. Still open for the reception.

Edit: think what Goat is getting at is asking a wr and a qb to change places creates potential for disaster. Ball hangs up. RG-3 being RG-3 and wanting to make the play not worrying about the safety lurking. Even if it is a perfect throw he can still get hammered by the safety lining up a head shot instead of playing the ball ala Laron Landry. Totally agree with Goat and probably so does MS cus i bet we never see it again. Ever.
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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I think he logged in as someone else and tried to disrupt the Matrix, but an agent (SmootSmack) tracked him within seconds and banned his digital a$$ into oblivion.

Can't believe I'm still seeing Matrix costumes out here...even the good ones seem stupid.

Eff me man. Halloween is such an after thought up here. Its my favorite damn holiday and im stuck in the aftermath of that bitch Sandy.


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[53Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well when we say wide open do we mean running free in back of the entire teams secondary ( flashback of Cruz - make it stop) because he could be open for the catch with a safety lining up a huge hit - no? Catch - turn - two steps - BANG. Still open for the reception.


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In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.

Do you remember if it worked with Elway? Id imagine it must have if he tried it a dozen times -
Also that is an awful lot to ask Morgan - hey - go play qb - and make sure you have a really good read on the safety early enough to make a snap decision whether to throw it away or not. ? Now dont get RG-3 killed - no pressure - oh and we really need this to work - again no pressure. Lol.


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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

In Mikes defense he ran the same play with Elway 10-15 times. I'm fairly certain he meant very open. As in he would have time to make the reception.
.pick up some yards and head out of bounds if need be. Still with all the hits Grifs been getting and all the talk about it.....well it didn't work and I got pissed off too that he was put in that position.

Im kind of like you. It wasnt just Elway who ran it, Brady and P. Manning have as well, multiple times, and those guys are as slow as dirt.

Having said that, it was still a stupid call. You cant ask a WR running to the opposite side of the field to read the defense before throwing. If you run the play, the WR throws it regardless, its a feast or famine play. If they want RG3 to have the ball more, then it needs to be something like a play action bootleg with a run/pass option. Im nervous about him running so much, but being a receiver is not going to work. As a runner, he can to some degree protect himself. Kind of difficult to protect yourself when your eyes are looking back at a wounded duck of a pass.

Most safeties are taking that hit regardless of whether it will be a clean shot or not. If im a defender, and the hit on an opposing QB that is playing as well as RG3 presents itself even if I cant make it a clean hit, im taking the hit and the 15 yard penalty. Im sure most, if not all, NFL defensive players will gladly take it as well.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Im kind of like you. It wasnt just Elway who ran it, Brady and P. Manning have as well, multiple times, and those guys are as slow as dirt.

Having said that, it was still a stupid call. You cant ask a WR running to the opposite side of the field to read the defense before throwing. If you run the play, the WR throws it regardless, its a feast or famine play. If they want RG3 to have the ball more, then it needs to be something like a play action bootleg with a run/pass option. Im nervous about him running so much, but being a receiver is not going to work. As a runner, he can to some degree protect himself. Kind of difficult to protect yourself when your eyes are looking back at a wounded duck of a pass.

Most safeties are taking that hit regardless of whether it will be a clean shot or not. If im a defender, and the hit on an opposing QB that is playing as well as RG3 presents itself even if I cant make it a clean hit, im taking the hit and the 15 yard penalty. Im sure most, if not all, NFL defensive players will gladly take it as well.

If I'm on the defense and have a chance to take Griffin out of the game? You better know I'm gonna do it! Couldn't agree more.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Eff me man. Halloween is such an after thought up here. Its my favorite damn holiday and im stuck in the aftermath of that bitch Sandy.


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How's your neighborhood punch? I've heard it varies a lot and hope you didn't get the worst of it!!

[The Goat]

Well, if you know Morgan can zing it in there so RG3 isn't a sitting duck then go for it all day, but watching the pass hang like that it's hard to imagine Morgan having the ability. Maybe he does?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do you remember if it worked with Elway? Id imagine it must have if he tried it a dozen times -
Also that is an awful lot to ask Morgan - hey - go play qb - and make sure you have a really good read on the safety early enough to make a snap decision whether to throw it away or not. ? Now dont get RG-3 killed - no pressure - oh and we really need this to work - again no pressure. Lol.


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All Morgan had to do is read man or zone. Not that hard. He does it all the time playing WR.

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Originally Posted by The Goat

How's your neighborhood punch? I've heard it varies a lot and hope you didn't get the worst of it!!

House is intact. No power. Got places to go that do have power. Making the best of it. Still worried about a couple friends that live on the beach. Waiting to hear from them. No master list for the shelters and people keep getting moved so its hard to see if they are ok. Stayin positive man. Thanks for askin.


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