Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

CrustyRedskin · 12-21-2012, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

You nailed it Goat!

12thMan · 12-21-2012, 01:55 PM

I'm not as high on Brian Orakpo as some. He's a phenomenal athlete, but his results on the field have left me wanting. Not saying we should trade, bench him, or anything else. I'm just not as high on him as most. And considering where Rob Jackson was drafted, we're definitely getting more bang for our buck from a business perspective.

Defensewins · 12-21-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.

I disagree and our win-loss record does not reflect that.

punch it in · 12-21-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

I disagree and our win-loss record does not reflect that.

Our pass rush does though. We have excelled on offense and buckled down on defense , but the pass rush has been inept.
Edit: i do wish that both Rak and Kerrigan had another move. Both are very one dimensional in their pass rush technique

Chico23231 · 12-21-2012, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Jackson has had moments, but judging from the lack of pass rush this entire season Orakpo's pass rush is more important and vital to the team.

true, but you gotta keep both. Jackson is a free agent and has proven to be a great backup/depth player who is excellent in pass rush packages. Gotta keep Jackson at this point, his play making ability has been game changing. Cant let that leave.

Defensewins · 12-21-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Our pass rush does though. We have excelled on offense and buckled down on defense , but the pass rush has been inept.
Edit: i do wish that both Rak and Kerrigan had another move. Both are very one dimensional in their pass rush technique

An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.

Chico23231 · 12-21-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.

Jackson has excelled exactly where Orakpo has immensley struggled, out on pass plays. Jackson has value on the defense, like to see them both on the field for the future.

punch it in · 12-21-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

An interception is better than a sack. Rob Jackson has three, one going for a TD. His sack and strip of Flacco was a critical play.
You can also consider that the defense has "buckled down" partly due to Jackson heady play. He is a smart player.

Im not denying that Jackson has been impressive, but opposing qb's just have way to much time.

JoeRedskin · 12-21-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Goat

Rob Jackson instincts/football IQ might be better than Orakpo's. That seemed impossible at the beginning of the season. Jackson isn't a physical freak but could eventually be the better overall player. I'd keep them both still and switch them up. Time to push Orakpo anyway.

But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

More comments to ignore from Goat world.

JoeRedskin · 12-21-2012, 02:38 PM

As to the substance, Jackson is the type of player who is the meat and potatoes of most good teams. Someone who flashes well and when called to step in do so admirably. RJ is not and likely never will be a multi-pro bowl type guy. He is someone that can play well in this league.

Let's not forget, however, this is his 5th year. It's not like he just came on out of nowhere, he is a someone who has grown up in the system after having a couple years to get his feet wet. He's got 5 more solid, unspectacular years left in him. I hope we retain him for those. Reminds me a lot of Mel Kaufman/Monte Coleman from the 80's.

punch it in · 12-21-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

More comments to ignore from Goat world.

Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.

los panda · 12-21-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Goat is trying to come into the light and you keep pushing him back into the darkness.

Gary84Clark · 12-21-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

But I thought proof of the Shanny's failures was that they weren't developing any late round defensive talent?

More comments to ignore from Goat world.

Jackson was here before Shanny.

JoeRedskin · 12-21-2012, 02:53 PM

Unrepentant, inconsistent, irrational argument needs to be highlighted, whether it is mine, Goat's or SmootSmack's argument. I will welcome Goat into the light when he stops resorting to tautological fallicies and then pretending he has never done so.

I feel safe that the lights in Goat World will remain off.

los panda · 12-21-2012, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Jackson was here before Shanny.

he said developing

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12-21-2012, 01:55 PM	#212
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? I'm not as high on Brian Orakpo as some. He's a phenomenal athlete, but his results on the field have left me wanting. Not saying we should trade, bench him, or anything else. I'm just not as high on him as most. And considering where Rob Jackson was drafted, we're definitely getting more bang for our buck from a business perspective.

12-21-2012, 02:38 PM	#220
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? As to the substance, Jackson is the type of player who is the meat and potatoes of most good teams. Someone who flashes well and when called to step in do so admirably. RJ is not and likely never will be a multi-pro bowl type guy. He is someone that can play well in this league. Let's not forget, however, this is his 5th year. It's not like he just came on out of nowhere, he is a someone who has grown up in the system after having a couple years to get his feet wet. He's got 5 more solid, unspectacular years left in him. I hope we retain him for those. Reminds me a lot of Mel Kaufman/Monte Coleman from the 80's. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

12-21-2012, 02:53 PM	#224
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 62 Posts: 10,401	Re: Are you buying into the Shanaplan? Unrepentant, inconsistent, irrational argument needs to be highlighted, whether it is mine, Goat's or SmootSmack's argument. I will welcome Goat into the light when he stops resorting to tautological fallicies and then pretending he has never done so. I feel safe that the lights in Goat World will remain off. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

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