Redskins Lions postgame

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.

The only thing going for the 'skins right now is that the division champ could be 7-9 this year - and having five more division games is a ray of hope. But, the defense is horrible. There's not enough kool-aid drinking in the world that can change that fact.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.

Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.

Saw a stat yesterday that of the 400+ yards we gave up vs. Detroit, more than 210 of them were after contact/missed tackle. That's just putrid. That's man up material. Individually, you've got to be better than that. I hope Fletcher has some kind of resurgence like he did last year because I thought he was done in the 1st Giants game but he rebounded. He's playing like a 38 yr old vs kids.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Saw a stat yesterday that of the 400+ yards we gave up vs. Detroit, more than 210 of them were after contact/missed tackle. That's just putrid. That's man up material. Individually, you've got to be better than that. I hope Fletcher has some kind of resurgence like he did last year because I thought he was done in the 1st Giants game but he rebounded. He's playing like a 38 yr old vs kids.

Exactly. We gave up 448 yards, minus 210 for missed tackles, and that's 238 total yards. Not a bad defensive effort when looked at that way.

But we need to fix the tackling issue or we'll keep giving up 448 yards. Skinsguy is right that this issue should not be happening.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yes, the defense is historically bad to this point. Just atrocious.

But aren't most of our defensive problems fixable? For example, if we eliminated yards gained after missed tackles, our defense would not be all that bad.

What concerns me the most is it always seems to be your basic mechanics of tackling which should be second nature when you enter the NFL. The tackling is horrid. If it was one of those deals where the defense covered well but the receiver made dramatic catches anyway, or the running back just made some awesome Matrix move that got them out of an, otherwise, solid tackle, then I'd just say that the defense has been unlucky. But, besides for guys like Ryan Kerrigan, it has been scary how poor the mechanics have been with these guys on defense. It is like they have forgotten everything they learned in pee wee football.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.

As bad as the defense is, and it's pretty damn bad, they gave the offense 7 yesterday. The offense scored 13 at home against Detroit. That's not the 85 Bears out there.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As bad as the defense is, and it's pretty damn bad, they gave the offense 7 yesterday. The offense scored 13 at home against Detroit. That's not the 85 Bears out there.

The offense shot themselves in the foot a couple of times but the defense has been historically bad.

Given how bad the D has been it's going to be awfully hard for the offense make up for that no matter how well they play.

[skinsfaninok]

^ sorry Mat even with RG3 I just don't see this team winning more than 7 games. And thats if we get on a 3-4 game win streak, if not then we could see 5 wins .

[skinsfaninok]

When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal

I say that Kyle should be a HC because of his track record. In Houston he produced a high-octane offense. Last year for us anyway, he produced a high-octane offense. Thus he has been a successful coordinator repeatedly and people with such track records typically get HC gigs.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I say that Kyle should be a HC because of his track record. In Houston he produced a high-octane offense. Last year for us anyway, he produced a high-octane offense. Thus he has been a successful coordinator repeatedly and people with such track records typically get HC gigs.

But let's remember that Norv Turner produced high octane offensives for the Dallas Cowboys during their Super Bowl years, and was bad to average as a head coach. I don't think calling X's and O's is enough to be a great head coach. Certainly I DO think Kyle deserves a shot at head coaching though. If what SS says is true about him and his dad having a difference of opinion with how the offense should be ran, then go with one or the other, but both are probably more of a distraction than a help.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

But let's remember that Norv Turner produced high octane offensives for the Dallas Cowboys during their Super Bowl years, and was bad to average as a head coach. I don't think calling X's and O's is enough to be a great head coach. Certainly I DO think Kyle deserves a shot at head coaching though. If what SS says is true about him and his dad having a difference of opinion with how the offense should be ran, then go with one or the other, but both are probably more of a distraction than a help.

I completely agree. My remarks were directed at how one becomes a HC. Whether or not one then is successful as a HC is a different story.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I completely agree. My remarks were directed at how one becomes a HC. Whether or not one then is successful as a HC is a different story.

I see you're point. It's funny, but all the times a lot of us complained at how inept the offenses seemed to be under Gibbs 2.0, the defense was always solid and the 'skins always seemed to be in every game until the last little bit. You knew if the 'skins lost, it wasn't going to be an easy win for their opponents. Those opponents would limp out of the game showing a lot of respect for our scrappy teams. We would at least have some pride of knowing that the 'skins "fought their guts out". Right now, our opponents come out of these games laughing at the Redskins. Calvin Johnson: "like taking candy from a baby!" Just burns me up.

But, I guess we have to be realistic. The cap penalty has done it's job in hurting the progress of this team being rebuilt - namely the defense. At least the 'skins were able to bring in a good group of guys on offense before the penalty. But, we're seeing the result of the penalty on defense.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

When people say KS is ready to be a HC I just don't see how? I mean he's so inconsistent with play calling its unreal

I agree in a tight game, and Morris was clearly on his game why would you abandon the running game in the second half? We weren't in a position where we were coming behind from 20+ points. We were in the game all day and Morris was so close on a few of his runs to get big yardage.

On his 30 yard TD I could see where his speed and burst has improved over last year.

I had said that it would take III till the Oak game to get his game going and honestly yesterday we saw him take huge steps forward from week 1-2-3.

The defense once again killed us. There is out biggest problem, that and loffensive play calling.

BTW no way we go 0-16. Who ever the guys are that are saying that well we just are not that bad. Not even close two plays yesterday were the difference in winning and losing. Last year we were making them every game in the last seven and this year well... Not so much.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I agree in a tight game, and Morris was clearly on his game why would you abandon the running game in the second half? We weren't in a position where we were coming behind from 20+ points. We were in the game all day and Morris was so close on a few of his runs to get big yardage.

On his 30 yard TD I could see where his speed and burst has improved over last year.

I had said that it would take III till the Oak game to get his game going and honestly yesterday we saw him take huge steps forward from week 1-2-3.

The defense once again killed us. There is out biggest problem, that and loffensive play calling.

BTW no way we go 0-16. Who ever the guys are that are saying that well we just are not that bad. Not even close two plays yesterday were the difference in winning and losing. Last year we were making them every game in the last seven and this year well... Not so much.

Exactly. Even at 0-3, maybe it's being stubborn, but I don't see this team as a 10, 11, 12 or more loss team. This team isn't as bad as Shanahan's first two Redskins teams that lost 10 and 11 games. Unless we're hit with some crippling injuries, we'll land in the .500 neighborhood. The defense simply cannot continue to be THIS bad. Amerson will improve, Rambo should improve some. Jenkins coming back will help. We've been as unlucky (aside from Hall's two TD) as a team could be so far on both sides of the ball.

Unlike the Giants who got worse and old at many key positions (RB-worse, OL-old, DL-old, LB/secondary-worse) we have potential for this not to be a lost season but it has to be with a win in Oakland and a win after the by at Dallas.