Jay Gruden you are our only hope

[irish]

Originally Posted by Lotus

How has Gruden produced? What track record speaks for him?

I'm not saying he should be fired - such would disturb team continuity (again). But he has nothing on his record which screams "keep him," either.

Since when does track record matter for this organization? Gibbs, Marty, and Shanny all had excellent track records, they are gone. Spurrier had a great track record in college and he's go too.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

Since when does track record matter for this organization? Gibbs, Marty, and Shanny all had excellent track records, they are gone. Spurrier had a great track record in college and he's go too.

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

People forget how in demand Spurrier was, several teams made a hard push for him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Shanny had a good track record about 20 years ago. He was given ample opportunity here.
Spurrier?!? You cannot be serious when you imply he was let go prematurely.

I understood the original post to say that since JG did not have a track record to point to why should he be given any benefit of the doubt. I pointed out that track records of success dont matter to the Skins when it comes to letting a coach go.

Spurrier was a joke but at the time he was the new hot-shot who DS wanted really bad. I think a big reason Marty was canned after 1 year was because Spurrier became available. IMO Marty had this organization about 1 or 2 years from being turned around and then he's gone for Spurrier and unfortunately the rest is history.

I think in 10 years Skins fans will look back and say the 2 biggest coaching mistakes were getting rid of Marty too soon and getting rid of Shanny too soon.

[Alvin Walton]

Spurrier was an effing joke.
Snyder does not know how to find a good coach.

[SmootSmack]

When Spurrier resigned part of the agreement was that he couldn't coach in the NFL for the next 3 years

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

When Spurrier resigned part of the agreement was that he couldn't coach in the NFL for the next 3 years

That's interesting. Any idea why that was part of the agreement? Was he interested in doing so?

As I recall, he was so obviously out of his league (literally) by the end of his tenure here that he was being universally held out as the example of why not to hire a college coach.

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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

That's interesting. Any idea why that was part of the agreement? Was he interested in doing so?

As I recall, he was so obviously out of his league (literally) by the end of his tenure here that he was being universally held out as the example of why not to hire a college coach.

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He was under contract. If someone wanted to hire him they would have had to compensate the Redskins. Like the Skins did to get Marty

[JWsleep]

Don't know if Marty would have been the savior, but he was better than much of the circus that followed, except Gibbs, and even JG had his issues. Still, Marty couldn't get over the hump in San Diego either. Whatever--water far under the bridge, I'm afraid.

Stability. For that reason alone, I do hope Gruden gets to stay and to make some tangible progress. Hard to do if RGIII is a bust, but that's the hand he's been dealt, maybe. I don't think we should underestimate the impact of the cap penalty right on top of the RGIII trade. Hard to get better with one hand tied behind your back. And that's what happened. I'm not giving Allen a freebie here, but that shit hurt.

[rocnrik]

I wish somebody had PROOF that Snyder is telling the coaches who to start..but you know what..that proof does not exist..Snyder has not told Gruden who to start ..if so it would not have been the first time and how come no other head coach has come forward and told the media about anything like this…I will say I believe that Snyder has a hand in the Draft ..but that is a far cry from telling the coach who to play on sunday..I am not a Snyder fan but I don't believe he is coaching the team..THE COLD HARD FACT IS that RGIII is the best QB on the team and the head coach knows this..so if RGIII is the best we have ..we are in deep crap!! Colt is okay and most likely would have played better in the last two games BUT he is not the FUTURE of the team..there are a lot of theories about this teams problems but one thing for sure is …WE SUCK!!!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

I wish somebody had PROOF that Snyder is telling the coaches who to start..but you know what..that proof does not exist..Snyder has not told Gruden who to start ..if so it would not have been the first time and how come no other head coach has come forward and told the media about anything like this…I will say I believe that Snyder has a hand in the Draft ..but that is a far cry from telling the coach who to play on sunday..I am not a Snyder fan but I don't believe he is coaching the team..THE COLD HARD FACT IS that RGIII is the best QB on the team and the head coach knows this..so if RGIII is the best we have ..we are in deep crap!! Colt is okay and most likely would have played better in the last two games BUT he is not the FUTURE of the team..there are a lot of theories about this teams problems but one thing for sure is …WE SUCK!!!

It is not illegal for owners to interject on the subject of who is playing and who is not. They do own the team. I would imagine coaches dont "come forward" and throw their owners under the bus mainly because they like their jobs.


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[rocnrik]

You are correct..but it gets tiring to keep hearing that Snyder is doing all this sort of like the great wizard of OZ behind the curtain. It would be nice to have the truth about who really makes the game day decisions..If in truth Snyder forced Gruden to start RGIII then I don't want Gruden around period..and if that is what is going on then This ship is doomed and no amount of players,draft picks will ever fix this mess..with all the coaches that have left here you would think at least one of them would have told the true story if there really is a story to be told..or maybe the SKINS are just like a lot of other teams they are just not very good ..look at Raiders,Jags,Jets,titans,Tampa and for years the Browns,lions..yes some of them are better now but the truth is a lot of teams have sucked for a long time..Not just the SKINS..the inability to lock down a really good QB is right now the Skins biggest foe..in this pass happy league with all the rules favoring the offense you have to have that field general that understands the game..we place to much on the physical aspect in truth the Mental side is way more important..that is why Colt played better than Robert..or Why cousins had brief success they actually understood what was going on..the only thing now we can hope for RGIII is that a light comes on and he starts to get it..if not we are searching again..

[Avinash_Tyagi]

I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Avinash_Tyagi

I'm not opposed to Gruden leaving

I see none of the skills necessary to create a highly successful team.

Gruden is no brilliant football mind, nor is he able to keep his team disciplined.

Perhaps it would make sense for the team to part ways with him and seek a fresh start with a completely new coaching staff

Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?



Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Exactly how can you tell what kind of mind he has if:

1) Your FO and Owner are dictating who you play at QB?

2) You have to dumb down your offense just so that same QB can run something?

Jay Gruden is probably one of the best things that has come to this franchise in quite sometime, it's just a shame he's handcuffed with both personnel and play calling.

I'm sick of people complaining about the FO/Snyder dictating who to play at QB.

This team made a huge investment in RG3 and Gruden knew coming that in. If he didn't want to deal with this, he should have gone to another team period.

If Gruden has been given the same authority that Shanny was, then I'd agree with this. But Bruce Allen runs this team, and basically this was the personnel given to Gruden to work with.

I'm not justifying RG3 and he'll probably be done after this season here. But Gruden knew coming in that he had to make this work.

It's funny how everyone blames RG3 for pointing the finger at other people but himself. I feel that Gruden spends a lot of time placing the blame on RG3. I just don't know how the failures of a QB are not the failures of a coach. Gruden was brought in because he developed Dalton and seen as a good offensive coach. Even when Cousins and Colt were in at QB, we had issues with the offense.