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[TheMalcolmConnection]

Great job Congress: The Senate Just Voted to Roll Back Women's Health Care

I really enjoyed paying for my wife's birth control. Glad I get to do it again...

I don't care which side you're on with this one, gotta' love a religious based repeal.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Great job Congress: The Senate Just Voted to Roll Back Women's Health Care

I really enjoyed paying for my wife's birth control. Glad I get to do it again...

I don't care which side you're on with this one, gotta' love a religious based repeal.

Are you saying your life isn't better? Before you answer, let me know your political affiliations, if you aren't pro-Trump your opinion doesn't matter.

[Chico23231]

Editorial - With Trump 'bombshell,' fake news gains new life - Richmond Times-Dispatch: OUR OPINION

great take here. Buzzfeed has been educating folks about fake news...of course this became an issue "only" after Hillary loss because we need to blame someone other than the candidate.

So Buzzfeed is upset with false, fake news, but then they turn around an publish fake news. Folks you cant make up this hypocrisy.

"Somebody has been shopping the document around for a while, but reputable news organizations did not report on it because, as New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet explained, its contents are "totally unsubstantiated.""

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

"Somebody has been shopping the document around for a while, but reputable news organizations did not report on it because, as New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet explained, its contents are "totally unsubstantiated.""

My question to you is ,what happens if some does?What if someone can prove it? If I am pro Trump it's just a lie ,right?I mean according to Trump the FBI,CIA and NSA all lie so who if anyone could as you say"substantiated it" ?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

My question to you is ,what happens if some does?What if someone can prove it? If I am pro Trump it's just a lie ,right?I mean according to Trump the FBI,CIA and NSA all lie so who if anyone could as you say"substantiated it" ?

Giantone, "what if it is true"...is that what your asking? If so, the idea of journalism, fake news, ethics,..these institutions and ideas and topics...your totally confused. Step back and look at the big picture

Do you think buzzfeed and CNN would have run the exact same story was given to them and Obama replaced trump's name?

Now ask yourself is that right? This has turned into an everyday occurrence in the national media...and I don't think folks realize that half the reason trump won is this type of unsourced attacks and editorial opinion passed as fact has energized the country to say enough is enough.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Giantone, "what if it is true"...is that what your asking? If so, the idea of journalism, fake news, ethics,..these institutions and ideas and topics...your totally confused. Step back and look at the big picture

Do you think buzzfeed and CNN would have run the exact same story was given to them and Obama replaced trump's name?

Now ask yourself is that right? This has turned into an everyday occurrence in the national media...and I don't think folks realize that half the reason trump won is this type of unsourced attacks and editorial opinion passed as fact has energized the country to say enough is enough.

No ,not what I asked,no need to spin and give a what if with Obama becuase Obama didn't throw doubt on all our security agencies.
I am asking "if it's a" true accusation" whom would a Trump supporter " accept in "substantiating it"?They don't trust FBI,CIA and NSA so again who would you accept to "substantiate" it?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No ,not what I asked,no need to spin and give a what if with Obama becuase Obama didn't throw doubt on all our security agencies.
I am asking "if it's a" true accusation" whom would a Trump supporter " accept in "substantiating it"?They don't trust FBI,CIA and NSA so again who would you accept to "substantiate" it?

From my perspective, it needs to be an independent investigation, a la the one opened up now on James Comey. I think, though many here will obviously disagree, that the intelligence agencies have become politicized (and when Trump assigns his staffs they will stay politicized, though likely in the opposite direction).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No ,not what I asked,no need to spin and give a what if with Obama becuase Obama didn't throw doubt on all our security agencies.
I am asking "if it's a" true accusation" whom would a Trump supporter " accept in "substantiating it"?They don't trust FBI,CIA and NSA so again who would you accept to "substantiate" it?

Dude really? Your lost, really no hope for ya if you understand what going on here. Step back, big picture.

Cubans react to end of 'wet foot, dry foot' policy - CNN.com

big news, looks like we are putting up a wall, right?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Editorial - With Trump 'bombshell,' fake news gains new life - Richmond Times-Dispatch: OUR OPINION

great take here. Buzzfeed has been educating folks about fake news...of course this became an issue "only" after Hillary loss because we need to blame someone other than the candidate.

So Buzzfeed is upset with false, fake news, but then they turn around an publish fake news. Folks you cant make up this hypocrisy.

"Somebody has been shopping the document around for a while, but reputable news organizations did not report on it because, as New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet explained, its contents are "totally unsubstantiated.""

Looks like this "fake news" wasn't fake at all. The document came from one of the world's most renowned Russian spies in the intelligence field, and currently owns one of the most respected intelligence agencies in the world. His work also helped expose FIFA, which led to the FBI arrests.

Christopher Steele, Trump Dossier Author, Is a Real-Life James Bond - NBC News

Nobody was "shopping" the document around. It had been passed around months prior, but nobody would run it since it was unverified. The part that bothers me the most is, the FBI had this document(via John McCain) well before the election and chose to go after Hillary and her emails when we might possibly have a Russian patsy in office? If Hillary had won the election and this shit had come out, I would guarantee you she would be investigated repeatedly the next 8 years, and possibly put up on impeachment articles for being a Russian spy.

There is some straight up legitimacy on this document. This kind of shit doesn't go into President and security council briefings for nothing.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

LOL.

Getting an appointment to get that IUD. That way if/when Planned Parenthood gets defunded, it's already up in thurr.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yes it does. I'm SO happy to be paying for that too. Mexico will give us a giant ass middle finger when he says to pay for it. The part that pisses me off the most is that he actually thinks that will work. Maybe you said it, but use TECHNOLOGY if you're going to do anything at all. The idea of a fucking wall is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. His supporters are literally jizzing in their pants over it. Hope they're fine with their tax dollars covering it because Mexico sure as shit will never pay a dime on it. He'll eventually say, "Oh, well we taxed Mexico enough to pay for it." My ass.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Yes it does. I'm SO happy to be paying for that too. Mexico will give us a giant ass middle finger when he says to pay for it. The part that pisses me off the most is that he actually thinks that will work. Maybe you said it, but use TECHNOLOGY if you're going to do anything at all. The idea of a fucking wall is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. His supporters are literally jizzing in their pants over it. Hope they're fine with their tax dollars covering it because Mexico sure as shit will never pay a dime on it. He'll eventually say, "Oh, well we taxed Mexico enough to pay for it." My ass.

With dissolving policy now when Cuban flee actually political oppression this clears the way for them to be deported back to Cuba.

Interesting to see what folks support.

I guess when it comes to immigration policy, my first question is should people follow our immigration policy to enter the country or do you support illegal immigration where people just cross into the country illegally as human traffickers, or with drugs, or with guns or as terrorist?

that's always my first question and I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the responses.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

With dissolving policy now when Cuban flee actually political oppression this clears the way for them to be deported back to Cuba.

Interesting to see what folks support.

I guess when it comes to immigration policy, my first question is should people follow our immigration policy to enter the country or do you support illegal immigration where people just cross into the country illegally as human traffickers, or with drugs, or with guns or as terrorist?

that's always my first question and I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the responses.

I support a very loose immigration policy, more in line with the Statue of Liberty's ideal, but the idea would be that we establish an enforceable policy and then enforce it.

Without a lot of specifics, ideally imo our immigration policy would be something like: if you can show a willingness to work, that you abide by the laws of your current nation, and have some verifiable plan to establish residency (ie live with relatives, or enough savings to support 1year of residency, etc); then you should be able to come in on a temporary visa, with an eye towards citizenship.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Yes it does. I'm SO happy to be paying for that too. Mexico will give us a giant ass middle finger when he says to pay for it. The part that pisses me off the most is that he actually thinks that will work. Maybe you said it, but use TECHNOLOGY if you're going to do anything at all. The idea of a fucking wall is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard. His supporters are literally jizzing in their pants over it. Hope they're fine with their tax dollars covering it because Mexico sure as shit will never pay a dime on it. He'll eventually say, "Oh, well we taxed Mexico enough to pay for it." My ass.

It's not hard to have Mexico pay a bill for it. If you understand toll roads, then you understand how to build something, and recoup the costs. Add a wall surcharge to every wire transfer to Mexico, an additional fee at each entry point, etc. Mexico currently has a huge trade surplus with us, there are simply ways recoup the costs of building a wall.

As for it being the most ridiculous idea ever, there are examples throughout the world of walls used in the manor described. It's not a horrid idea, and it's not a fantastic amazing solution. It's something Trump throughout that resonated with his supporters, and got his opponents panties all in a bunch. Once he saw that, it was a given he was going to make it happen. If the Democrats had responded more openly to some form of border control, then he likely would have dropped it. At this point it's going to happen, and if people want to traffic in illegal stuff (which they will) they will have to get more creative than timing border patrol shifts (which they will).

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's not hard to have Mexico pay a bill for it. If you understand toll roads, then you understand how to build something, and recoup the costs. Add a wall surcharge to every wire transfer to Mexico, an additional fee at each entry point, etc. Mexico currently has a huge trade surplus with us, there are simply ways recoup the costs of building a wall.

As for it being the most ridiculous idea ever, there are examples throughout the world of walls used in the manor described. It's not a horrid idea, and it's not a fantastic amazing solution. It's something Trump throughout that resonated with his supporters, and got his opponents panties all in a bunch. Once he saw that, it was a given he was going to make it happen. If the Democrats had responded more openly to some form of border control, then he likely would have dropped it. At this point it's going to happen, and if people want to traffic in illegal stuff (which they will) they will have to get more creative than timing border patrol shifts (which they will).

They already have. They're called tunnels, and they are one of the main avenues of bringing drugs/guns/human trafficking into the country. Quick, let's build an underground wall too!