Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Flacco's contract is not helping. Matty I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is not preventing them from being good. If you're going to carry a very heavy QB contract, it means you've got to draft well to make up for it. If you don't draft well, you're left with little cap space to make up for it.

Drafting well is job 1, but if you fail at it you'd like to have cap space to try to make up for it. It's simple risk management.

Overpaying a QB like Flacco removes your margin for error. You either draft well during the heavy QB contract, or you are stuck with sucking. You have no recourse.

That Ravens situation still shouldn't be applied to the Redskins and Cousins blindly though, simply because I think Cousins is better than Flacco. But signing Cousins to a highest-paid-player type contract is akin to pushing all your chips to the center of the table. You're saying I'm going to draft well for the next 5 years to keep my roster stocked and support my QB who needs the support, and if I don't, then we suck.

Teams with QBs like Brady, Rodgers and Wentz don't have to think that way. If they miss on some picks in the draft, their QB can still pull a rabbit out of a hat.

I still can't make up my mind on Cousins. No matter what you're pushing a boulder up a hill. Let him go and you start the process to find a new QB, which can take 20 years. Keep him, and you start the process of being perfect in the draft for the next 5 years. Hard choice.

While it currently seems like Balt is over-paying Flacco, they had no choice but to sign him coming off his perfect Super Bowl run. Had they let him walk Raven fans would have gone berserk. Timing is everything and Flacco timed his big performance to perfection. Flacco is the easy scapegoat for Balt's problems when its not all his fault.

While I don't think Flacco's contract has caused Balt's problems, I do know that football is a dependent game where every player is dependent on the other players for success and no position is more dependent that the QB. Right now the players Flacco is dependent on aren't producing and as a result he looks worse than he really is.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Flacco is no where near the QB Kirk is

lol.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

While it currently seems like Balt is over-paying Flacco, they had no choice but to sign him coming off his perfect Super Bowl run. Had they let him walk Raven fans would have gone berserk. Timing is everything and Flacco timed his big performance to perfection. Flacco is the easy scapegoat for Balt's problems when its not all his fault.

While I don't think Flacco's contract has caused Balt's problems, I do know that football is a dependent game where every player is dependent on the other players for success and no position is more dependent that the QB. Right now the players Flacco is dependent on aren't producing and as a result he looks worse than he really is.

Certainly fair. Also explains why Cousins shows as one of the top 5 rated passers yet the eye test says he's not. Cousins is surrounded by an offensive line that can turn screen passes to Chris Thompson from 8 yard plays into 80 yard plays.

Flacco and Cousins have one thing in common - they're not going to elevate the play of those around them. Committing them means you need to create the near perfect surrounding cast or you're going to bump your head on 10-6.

I think we're saying the same thing just differently.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Certainly fair. Also explains why Cousins shows as one of the top 5 rated passers yet the eye test says he's not. Cousins is surrounded by an offensive line that can turn screen passes to Chris Thompson from 8 yard plays into 80 yard plays.

Flacco and Cousins have one thing in common - they're not going to elevate the play of those around them. Committing them means you need to create the near perfect surrounding cast or you're going to bump your head on 10-6.

I think we're saying the same thing just differently.

I think we are too.

Cousins is never going to be Brady or Rogers but those guys don't come along often. I do think KC is as good as or better than Flacco, Brees or Wilson and those guys have all won SBs. The Skins can win a SB with KC but I agree that he will need a very good supporting cast to do it.

[CRedskinsRule]

Figured I would put these here, vs the Garrapolo thread:
Cap space / # of players on roster for 2018
Jets - 63M / 40 they will be in the KC market
Skins - 58M / 41
Browns - 54 / 53 I can't see KC choosing to go here
Cardinals - 33M/ 32 they have a lot of re-signing to do, but could make a pitch
Ravens - 10M / 49 I don't see it, but it would keep KC in the region and they might be done with Flacco
Jags - 2.5M / 49 They would have to do some SERIOUS cap juggling.

bottom line:

We will have the ability to keep KC, the question remains is the desire there on both sides...

[NC_Skins]

NFL QB power rankings, Week 7: No quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins | For The Win

[jamf]

Interesting article.
Not sure the numbers can accurately reflect what is going on in the game with different personnel but it's is interesting and I agree with most of the rankings.

I recommend everyone listen to Chris Cooleys Film Breakdown. Hour 2 for 10/31/17 if the link doesn't work.

the TLR: KC made some nice quick reads but also missed a few big plays would've put us in a good position to win the game.

Cooley has mentioned a few times this year that Gruden is calling good plays and WRs are getting open but they aren't "Open Enough" for KC.



I like KC and most importantly I like having a competent QB but I'm scared that if we overpay for this guy, we won't be able to put talent around him to make him shine.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

NFL QB power rankings, Week 7: No quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins | For The Win

Looking at that list just makes me shack my head. The nfl is so starved for the next Brady/ Montana/ Rogers etc... anytime a rookie or 2nd year QB has a string of good games he is the next QB Jesus.

Carr is now ranked below KC, Carr was like the pre-season lock for MVP, greatest ever bs, etc....now Weintz is the next QB Jesus until he hits a rough patch.

They like to build you up but they love to tear you down more.

[MTK]

QB power rankings lol

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Looking at that list just makes me shack my head. The nfl is so starved for the next Brady/ Montana/ Rogers etc... anytime a rookie or 2nd year QB has a string of good games he is the next QB Jesus.

Carr is now ranked below KC, Carr was like the pre-season lock for MVP, greatest ever bs, etc....now Weintz is the next QB Jesus until he hits a rough patch.

They like to build you up but they love to tear you down more.

Yeah and the fact that they have Dak at 4 is a joke, do they not watch him play?? He's got the best OL and RB combo in the NFL and he literally has 200 yards a game passing. I have never understood the hype around him.

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[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yeah and the fact that they have Dak at 4 is a joke, do they not watch him play?? He's got the best OL and RB combo in the NFL and he literally has 200 yards a game passing. I have never understood the hype around him.

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Ha! I had to go back to see that on first glance Dak at 4 was so unbelievable my brain didn't even register it.

It also says Dak is in the MVP talk. I mean come on.

[skinsfan69]

I just want KC to start taking more chances downfield. He's become too much of a system guy, go where the read takes you blah blah blah. When he finally threw the ball to Doc he got a PI and then a TD. Yeah I know he dropped one but so what. You have to keep going to him. Throw some up to Pryor, he may or may not catch it but there's a good chance for PI.

I watched some of the Texans game on You Tube and Watson was really pushing the ball downfield against Seattle. Giving his wr's chances to make plays on the ball. I'm so impressed with that kid.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I just want KC to start taking more chances downfield. He's become too much of a system guy, go where the read takes you blah blah blah.

Im a cousins fan but that was my biggest knock on him, he would go where the read takes him. Well, good defenses and coaches know that and can manipulate Cousins to go where they want him to go.

With D jax, if he had single high safety or 1-on-1 coverage, he would go to D Jax. This year with the same looks, it seems Cousins doesnt have the trust to let Pryor or Doctson make a play, win the 1-on-1 battle.

We need a run game. Weve needed a run game for 4 years or so now ... would hate to see where this team is without Cousins the past few years.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Ha! I had to go back to see that on first glance Dak at 4 was so unbelievable my brain didn't even register it.

It also says Dak is in the MVP talk. I mean come on.

Let's see what his numbers look like now without zeke. I bet they win 2 games in that span

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[TheMalcolmConnection]

Sadly, with that offensive line, Morris can step right in and do about the same things (except receiving out of the backfield).