Ocho Cinco In B&G

MTK · 02-13-2008, 09:04 AM

Giving up Moss kinda defeats the purpose here. He would be a dangerous #2 along with CJ.

Sounds like we could be losing quite a few WRs as it is, Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell could all be on the outs. Doesn't make much sense to also give up Moss.

RobH4413 · 02-13-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Giving up Moss kinda defeats the purpose here. He would be a dangerous #2 along with CJ.

Sounds like we could be losing quite a few WRs as it is, Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell could all be on the outs. Doesn't make much sense to also give up Moss.

I don't think it defeats the purpose, if your purpose is to upgrade your overall offensive efficiency. I'm on the boat that #85 would cause coverage to roll to his side... thus opening up the rest of the field to Cooley and ARE.

There are only so many touches that can go around, and having ARE as a #3 seems like your wasting talent. He's proven he can have those 100yard games if they want to roll coverage. The point you make about depth is definitely one to consider.

Maybe we've got enough young talent coming back next year (Mix, Espy, to name a couple) that we'd be able to plug in the holes, and serve well. Maybe not.

Could be too much of a gamble... but I still think CJ instead of SM would change the offense dramatically. Just my two cents.

Meks · 02-13-2008, 09:25 AM

i wouldnt give up moss for CJ ...

skinsfan69 · 02-13-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Meks

i wouldnt give up moss for CJ ...

I would. I said this last year and got killed for saying it but SM is a nice #2 NFL wr. Nothing more and nothing less. He is not a #1. CJ is a number one NFL wr and his production speaks for itself. However I'm very skeptical about giving up a first round draft pick for him.

MTK · 02-13-2008, 09:37 AM

I still don't see the purpose of giving up a good #2. If there's nobody there to pick up the slack for all the doubles that CJ would see it makes CJ a waste. Even though ARE had a good year I'm still not convinced he's #2 caliber. I think he's better suited as a slot guy.

Yes CJ is a upgrade over Moss, but it makes that upgrade less effective if you take away a very capable #2 in Moss.

I know people love to daydream about Mix and Espy but those guys haven't proven anything and Espy is nothing but training camp hero to this point if you ask me.

Mix was great on teams but he's a complete unknown when it comes to playing WR. Personally I wouldn't want to head into the season having to rely on both of these guys to play significant roles. Maybe one of them, but definitely not both.

Plus if we're concerned about developing Campbell, does giving him almost an entirely new WR corps make much sense??

talk show host · 02-13-2008, 09:43 AM

This may have been discussed, but I was watching NFL network today and they said Ocho Stinko would not be a good fit for the M&B... with our new west coast offense, we will be expecting our #1 wideout to take a lot of short stuff and run with it, where as CJ is a receiver more suited for an offense that focuses on the deep passing game. CJ would also likely only get around 60 catches per year, as opposed to the 90 he's used to...

I actually think stinko is fun to watch... i love his antics and is is a GREAT (not just good) receiver... but i just don't think he's a good fit for a west coast offense. He would have been great under a Gibbs-style offense though.

RobH4413 · 02-13-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I still don't see the purpose of giving up a good #2. If there's nobody there to pick up the slack for all the doubles that CJ would see it makes CJ a waste. Even though ARE had a good year I'm still not convinced he's #2 caliber. I think he's better suited as a slot guy.

Yes CJ is a upgrade over Moss, but it makes that upgrade less effective if you take away a very capable #2 in Moss.

I know people love to daydream about Mix and Espy but those guys haven't proven anything and Espy is nothing but training camp hero to this point if you ask me.

Mix was great on teams but he's a complete unknown when it comes to playing WR. Personally I wouldn't want to head into the season having to rely on both of these guys to play significant roles. Maybe one of them, but definitely not both.

Plus if we're concerned about developing Campbell, does giving him almost an entirely new WR corps make much sense??

I tend to think Moss isn't the great #1 WR he once was, and we need an upgrade. He gets injured too often, and I don't want to go into the season relying on him as our #1 anymore. If we can get CJ or someone else and not lose Moss... I would prefer that. But if we had to pull the trigger and Moss was involved... I think that makes us the better team.

Yeah it wouldn't be the best thing in the world to have a new set of WR's... but they would have an entire off season to mesh. We're going to need at least one addition anyways.

This hypothetical situation I'm suggesting may not even be remotely plausible, so I'm probably just bantering aimlessly.

I'm just no longer on the Santana bandwagon and I wish I was. I love the guy, and I have many memories watching him torch defenses. He just needs to be healthy and consistent for once, and I'm not confident that'll happen next season.

Meks · 02-13-2008, 10:06 AM

moss is also an emotional leader on this team ...
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ingibbswetrust · 02-13-2008, 10:16 AM

According to Elliot in the Morning: chad johnson flying in fri for possible contract deal

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-13-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ingibbswetrust

According to Elliot in the Morning: chad johnson flying in fri for possible contract deal

really, do you have a link?

Meks · 02-13-2008, 10:19 AM

wow.....

Darrell_Green_28 · 02-13-2008, 10:25 AM

how can that be possible? hes not a free agent and still is under contract with the bengals.. have we made a trade thats not being posted or talked about?

BleedBurgundy · 02-13-2008, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

how can that be possible? hes not a free agent and still is under contract with the bengals.. have we made a trade thats not being posted or talked about?

Sometimes a team and a prospective player will agree to a contract in principle in order to facillitate a trade. Could be one of those situations...

MTK · 02-13-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Sometimes a team and a prospective player will agree to a contract in principle in order to facillitate a trade. Could be one of those situations...

Right, we had a contract in place for Briggs too before a trade fell through.

Meks · 02-13-2008, 10:25 AM

knowing us prolly....

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02-13-2008, 09:37 AM	#5
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G I still don't see the purpose of giving up a good #2. If there's nobody there to pick up the slack for all the doubles that CJ would see it makes CJ a waste. Even though ARE had a good year I'm still not convinced he's #2 caliber. I think he's better suited as a slot guy. Yes CJ is a upgrade over Moss, but it makes that upgrade less effective if you take away a very capable #2 in Moss. I know people love to daydream about Mix and Espy but those guys haven't proven anything and Espy is nothing but training camp hero to this point if you ask me. Mix was great on teams but he's a complete unknown when it comes to playing WR. Personally I wouldn't want to head into the season having to rely on both of these guys to play significant roles. Maybe one of them, but definitely not both. Plus if we're concerned about developing Campbell, does giving him almost an entirely new WR corps make much sense?? __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-13-2008, 09:43 AM	#6
talk show host Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 13	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G This may have been discussed, but I was watching NFL network today and they said Ocho Stinko would not be a good fit for the M&B... with our new west coast offense, we will be expecting our #1 wideout to take a lot of short stuff and run with it, where as CJ is a receiver more suited for an offense that focuses on the deep passing game. CJ would also likely only get around 60 catches per year, as opposed to the 90 he's used to... I actually think stinko is fun to watch... i love his antics and is is a GREAT (not just good) receiver... but i just don't think he's a good fit for a west coast offense. He would have been great under a Gibbs-style offense though. __________________ "This whole game is about rhythm, not about hanging onto the ball until you see a guy open."

02-13-2008, 10:16 AM	#9
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02-13-2008, 09:04 AM	#1
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G Giving up Moss kinda defeats the purpose here. He would be a dangerous #2 along with CJ. Sounds like we could be losing quite a few WRs as it is, Thrash, McCardell, and Caldwell could all be on the outs. Doesn't make much sense to also give up Moss. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-13-2008, 09:25 AM	#3
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02-13-2008, 10:06 AM	#8
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02-13-2008, 10:25 AM	#12
Darrell_Green_28 The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Robert, Louisiana Age: 58 Posts: 2,119	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G how can that be possible? hes not a free agent and still is under contract with the bengals.. have we made a trade thats not being posted or talked about? __________________ Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. - Alan Dundes

02-13-2008, 10:25 AM	#15
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