Update: McCain Selects Gov. Sarah Palin as Running Mate

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Slightly off-topic for a second,

I thought you'd appreciate this saden.

Tigh / Roslin 2008!

That's hilarious

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by saden1

That's hilarious

The similarities are kind of uncanny aren't they? I think McCain should start wearing an eyepatch

[Monkeydad]

This story about Palin's daughter is a non-story.

McCain knew before choosing her. It really has no reflection on the mother since she's already proven her values by choosing not to kill her child with Down Syndrome.

It's a family issue and should remain that way.

Besides, Obama doesn't want to open up HIS family matters for debate I'm sure.

Anyone who has had sex before marriage really has no room to criticize her daughter, because if you had sex as a teen, you could easily have found yourself in the same situation.

Obama said himself that at her age, he was "enthusiastically experimenting with drugs" and binge drinking.

The debate should remain about the candidates.

[dmek25]

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

I don't understand it D, My son's don't think everything I say, and want them to do is correct.
Can you explain that?

[dmek25]

well, the last time i checked, you weren't running for public office. all im saying is, all your ducks better be in a row, if you want to be the vice president/ president. because when push comes to shove, all is fair in love and war

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

Holy crap, so she wasn't married. I always thought that teaching abstinence alone was bull shit. I'll be the first to admit that I have some weird political views. I agree with the conseratives on defense and the economy. However on the social issues I'm definately more liberal including marajuanna legalization (even though I don't smoke), stem cell research (an issue that McCain supports), gay marriage (even though I'm not gay), and the banning of ID from class rooms. I still don't know what to think about abortion though right now I'm barely pro-life (51-49). However at the same time I am appaled about how conseratives want to restrict distribution of the morning after pill.

I mean a fetus reportedly feeling pain and crying during an abortion is apalling however preventing conception the day after (or minutes after if you're prepared) is a totally different story and just because some religous nutjobs are using the Bible to reconcile their beliefs doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer in a country who's social views presumeably range mainly from moderate Judeo-Christian to secular humanist (a nicer way of saying atheist or agnostic). In fact I get chills everytime I see the John McCain, Judeo-Christian speech. I wondered if he's that desperate votes or if he's really that nieve when it comes to the history of his own country.

Another funny thing I find about the Republicans and McCain is they want to stop Gay Marriage, yet their most feasable alternative to abortion, adoption, isn't helped by the fact that many foster kids (as many as 100,000 in the US) can't find a home.

Anyway back to my main point. If I read right according to a UN report the United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnacy and abortions among first world countries especially when compared to most of Western Europe. The abstinence thing is not working and restricting access to contreception and proper sex education isn't helping.

I know some people will find issue with my post and I'm more then willing to debate so long as it doesn't lead to you calling me an idiot for no good reason or typing in all caps. And to think I use to be apathetic those were the days.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

well, the last time i checked, you weren't running for public office. all im saying is, all your ducks better be in a row, if you want to be the vice president/ president. because when push comes to shove, all is fair in love and war

Fine, point out that Obama used drugs as a teen and that Palin's kid is preggers and that McCain killed cats for fun when he was 14 and Obama kicked puppies on Christmas morning when he was 12.

Jimmy cracked corn and I don't care.

I vote on the issues, their demonstrated record of service, and my own personal evaluation of their readiness to command the military. If you're not doing the same, I suggest you get your priorities straight.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Holy crap, so she wasn't married. I always thought that teaching abstinence alone was bull shit. I'll be the first to admit that I have some weird political views. I agree with the conseratives on defense and the economy. However on the social issues I'm definately more liberal including marajuanna legalization (even though I don't smoke), stem cell research (an issue that McCain supports), gay marriage (even though I'm not gay), and the banning of ID from class rooms. I still don't know what to think about abortion though right now I'm barely pro-life (51-49). However at the same time I am appaled about how conseratives want to restrict distribution of the morning after pill.

I mean a fetus reportedly feeling pain and crying during an abortion is apalling however preventing conception the day after (or minutes after if you're prepared) is a totally different story and just because some religous nutjobs are using the Bible to reconcile their beliefs doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer in a country who's social views presumeably range mainly from moderate Judeo-Christian to secular humanist (a nicer way of saying atheist or agnostic). In fact I get chills everytime I see the John McCain, Judeo-Christian speech. I wondered if he's that desperate votes or if he's really that nieve when it comes to the history of his own country.

Another funny thing I find about the Republicans and McCain is they want to stop Gay Marriage, yet their most feasable alternative to abortion, adoption, isn't helped by the fact that many foster kids (as many as 100,000 in the US) can't find a home.

Anyway back to my main point. If I read right according to a UN report the United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnacy and abortions among first world countries especially when compared to most of Western Europe. The abstinence thing is not working and restricting access to contreception and proper sex education isn't helping.

I know some people will find issue with my post and I'm more then willing to debate so long as it doesn't lead to you calling me an idiot for no good reason or typing in all caps. And to think I use to be apathetic those were the days.

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

how come when its an issue about a republican, it should be off limits? John McCain said more then once how ugly Chelsea Clinton was. that's OK? the issue is Palin preaching abstinence, and her own daughter doesn't believe in it. she cant get her own kids to buy into it, why should anyone else?

That is a down right lie about McCain and you cannot find any quotes from McCain saying that about Chelsea.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Holy crap, so she wasn't married. I always thought that teaching abstinence alone was bull shit. I'll be the first to admit that I have some weird political views. I agree with the conseratives on defense and the economy. However on the social issues I'm definately more liberal including marajuanna legalization (even though I don't smoke), stem cell research (an issue that McCain supports), gay marriage (even though I'm not gay), and the banning of ID from class rooms. I still don't know what to think about abortion though right now I'm barely pro-life (51-49). However at the same time I am appaled about how conseratives want to restrict distribution of the morning after pill.

I mean a fetus reportedly feeling pain and crying during an abortion is apalling however preventing conception the day after (or minutes after if you're prepared) is a totally different story and just because some religous nutjobs are using the Bible to reconcile their beliefs doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer in a country who's social views presumeably range mainly from moderate Judeo-Christian to secular humanist (a nicer way of saying atheist or agnostic). In fact I get chills everytime I see the John McCain, Judeo-Christian speech. I wondered if he's that desperate votes or if he's really that nieve when it comes to the history of his own country.

Another funny thing I find about the Republicans and McCain is they want to stop Gay Marriage, yet their most feasable alternative to abortion, adoption, isn't helped by the fact that many foster kids (as many as 100,000 in the US) can't find a home.

Anyway back to my main point. If I read right according to a UN report the United States has some of the highest rates of teen pregnacy and abortions among first world countries especially when compared to most of Western Europe. The abstinence thing is not working and restricting access to contreception and proper sex education isn't helping.

I know some people will find issue with my post and I'm more then willing to debate so long as it doesn't lead to you calling me an idiot for no good reason or typing in all caps. And to think I use to be apathetic those were the days.

What do you mean exactly by McCain wants to stop Gay Marriage?

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That is a down right lie about McCain and you cannot find any quotes from McCain saying that about Chelsea.

If he's talking about the "Janet Reno is her father" joke, then I'm fairly certain it's true.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

That makes three of us.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just a side note, it's almost uncanny how aligned you and I are on the issues. I'm very to the right on foreign policy and the economy, and quite left on most social issues, with the exception of abortion. Didn't think I'd find too many people that line up so crooked like I do.

It's actually a more true conservative bent. Gov't = stay out of our lives...no taxes and don't tell me how tolive. I think we roll closely also. I vote mainly on who has the best cahnce not to do something insanely bad. Like raise taxes on anyone.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

That is a down right lie about McCain and you cannot find any quotes from McCain saying that about Chelsea.

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno.”


– Sen. John McCain, speaking to a Republican dinner, June 1998.