The never ending Jason Campbell player haters ball

[30gut]

A pseudo-intellectual tries complicate stuff and post sophist arguments.

Um...then don't look at your previous post then.

I don't have the time nor the inclination nor,lol, can i find my sophmore year philosophy text book to quible with you about SFCS.

It appears all you want to do is quible and that's exactly what i wanted to avoid.
I'm not playing any word games nor was i trying to get you to agree to anything you don't.
I asked you simple direct questions to figure out how you saw the issue.
The 1st was this:
And you went sideways on me:

Originally Posted by My 1st question

Can you agree that net-net throwing 4 or more INTs would indicate a bad game?

Originally Posted by Your response

Nice try.
You want me to agree with you about a ton of turnovers being a bad game and then say "Ha, see they both had bad games. The black qb is benched in bad games while white qb isn't".

Nice try? "Ha"?
I asked a simple question and you are trying to view it as some sort of word game trap?

If you don't agree its cool.
But, to be clear YOU read something into the question that simply wasn't there.

Originally Posted by My 2nd question

Given poor QB play are black QBs getting benched/yanked quicker then there non-black counter parts?

Originally Posted by You

I believe you are deliberately trying to mis-characterize I say. Hence, extra verbosity and pauses. I'll gladly sacrifice politeness for clarity and the searing of premises into a person's mind.

Again huh?
I gather, lol, your response to this is also no?
Cool.

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

30gut, you've already insulted me by oversimplifying or completely misunderstanding my sentences, and I'll be damned if I let that continue. I'll play nice though, and copy and paste your sentences so as to not stoop to your level.

Do you always post like this or are you upset?
Right, right i've been insulting you?
Well by that same token you're insulting me by overcomplicating my posts and you're wasting my time with a lesson in philosophy. (Which is actually quite funny b/c after you rightly call yourself a hypocrite for your own logical fallacious argument you then correct it to make it logical which we both know doesn't make it true. And since you didn't even watch the games you have no idea how Jackson actually played.)

You seem bent on turning this discussion into something its not.
Its like you are having a pre-arranged argument with yourself and trying to tie me in.
It would be alot simpler to just read my post without your pre-arranged argument in mind.

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't want to quible with you but if a QB throws 3-4-5 picks he's not playing well.
I don't think it needs much more analysis.
I'm not saying they got pulled because they're black and it was a willful decision based on race.
No.
What i'm saying is that if you objectively look at the scenarios net-net it would appear that if 2 QBs are having bad games that a black QB is more likely to get pulled.

I'm not trying to add anything more to it then that; i'm just looking at the raw data.

You're so bent on having an argument that you glossed right over it.
My statement does not preclude that there could be a plethora of reasons related to each situation that may rightly or wrongly explain the decisions.

[SolidSnake84]

Campbell is Out as Oakland's QB. Gradkowski is the starter going forward. Just saw it on the news.

This should be the end of JC's time as an NFL starter. He would make a good backup on a talented team where all he has to do is preserve the win, but his days of starting in the league should be over.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Campbell is Out as Oakland's QB. Gradkowski is the starter going forward. Just saw it on the news.

This should be the end of JC's time as an NFL starter. He would make a good backup on a talented team where all he has to do is preserve the win, but his days of starting in the league should be over.

Damnit, Campbell got Ramsey'd! He was robbed, I tell ya. He never got a chance!

Hahaha. :vomit:

[SirClintonPortis]

Hue's call? It's Gradkowski (update) - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives!

Hue's call? It's Gradkowski (update) : SFGate: Raiders Silver and Black Blog

"This past week's game at halftime I made a decision to go in and talk to our head coach about making a switch at quarterback. OK. I have great latitude from our owner, Mr. Davis, and from Coach Cable, that anything that I think needs to be done on offense in order for us to score points that I'm able to do. ...

Read more: Hue's call? It's Gradkowski (update) : SFGate: Raiders Silver and Black Blog

Don't have to time go through the thread and continue with my mess until Friday. I don't even know what responses have came since my tl;dr post.

However, the Campbell benching is now completely irrelevant to the discussion as a BLACK MAN(Hue Jackson) called for the benching OF A BLACK QB. Not Cable, it was actually Hue Jackson who went to the Polish man.

[htownskinfan]

Thank goodness this current regime knew what they had in Jc and made the switch.JC was a standup guy and likeable and I think too many{way too many}people would look past his play because of that.Patrick Ramsey has been crucified on this board and i dont see JC being any better.Can anybody ever imagine {in their wildest dreams} JC throwing for over 400 yards with no running game? I dont want to pile on JC,but thank God hes not our problem anymore

[SirClintonPortis]

So we'll see if Florio is stirring the pot again or if this is really true. Then again, it is their "News and Rumors" section. lol.

It's Official: Raiders Have a QB Controversy | NBC Bay Area

And I must say, there has been a sudden invasion of Poles occuring in the NFL. Two Gronkowskis, a Gradkowski, and damn bunch of other -kowskis. It must be stopped. Their last names are offensive to my ears. /lolbadsarcasm

[DCtoAZ]

wow .. i really thought JC had a chance to rebound in Oakland .. thank you jesus he is gone

[Alvin Walton]

All their QBs suck.
Whats controversial about that?

[saden1]

You can't play scared to throw in this league and JC is once again showing that he holds on to the ball for far too long. I would play Gradkowski...I believe he gives them a better chance to win than JC.

[Dirtbag59]

Actually in watching the highlights of the Rams-Raiders game, I was surprised at how decisive JC looked. He was performing fakes, looking off safeties, and getting the ball out a lot quicker. No way would I have him over McNabb but at the very least it seems like his mechanics have improved.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Actually in watching the highlights of the Rams-Raiders game, I was surprised at how decisive JC looked. He was performing fakes, looking off safeties, and getting the ball out a lot quicker. No way would I have him over McNabb but at the very least it seems like his mechanics have improved.

I must say, if this is what you observed, then Zorn is not that good of a QB coach while Jackson is.

Be afraid, Joe Flacco. Be very afraid. You may suffer this year.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

So we'll see if Florio is stirring the pot again or if this is really true. Then again, it is their "News and Rumors" section. lol.

It's Official: Raiders Have a QB Controversy | NBC Bay Area

And I must say, there has been a sudden invasion of Poles occuring in the NFL. Two Gronkowskis, a Gradkowski, and damn bunch of other -kowskis. It must be stopped. Their last names are offensive to my ears. /lolbadsarcasm

Are you being sarkowskis?

[tootergray34]

you can put the turd in silver and black...but it still STINKS!

haha I kid I kid, I really like JC, nicest guy alive...he just never gets a break man. tipped ball INT's seem to happen to him more than anyone. Then Gradkowski comes in looking incredible and they are saying he's a better leader...poor JC. At least his "pockets straight"

what'd we get for him ... a 4th rounder?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

I must say, if this is what you observed, then Zorn is not that good of a QB coach while Jackson is.

Be afraid, Joe Flacco. Be very afraid. You may suffer this year.

But at least you'll fun with the slip and slide drill.

[tootergray34]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

But at least you'll fun with the slip and slide drill.

my god, how did we get rid of this GENIOUS!