The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[Big C]

its really hard to predict what will happen at this point in time obviously. i remember last year people were projecting cam newton at around 20 in the first round, and obviously he went #1. lets see how combines go.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

For what it's worth, I spoke with Ourlads' Dan Shonka on the local sports talk radio show call-in period the other day with exactly this question -- what will Mike Holmgren do?

According to Shonka, Holmgren believes that McCoy was best suited for the West Coast offense, and is more likely to spend his draft pick getting help for McCoy, perhaps Blackmon or Matt Kalil.

Just one guy's opinion, of course.

That's definitely possible but my real point is that the Redskins need to assume RG3 will be gone by #6 one way or the other. So their plan can not be to draft RG3 at #6. The plan needs to either be to trade up for him or target a different QB. If last years QB plan was really to draft locker at #10 then we all saw how that worked out...

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by celts32

That's definitely possible but my real point is that the Redskins need to assume RG3 will be gone by #6 one way or the other. So their plan can not be to draft RG3 at #6. The plan needs to either be to trade up for him or target a different QB. If last years QB plan was really to draft locker at #10 then we all saw how that worked out...

Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

I think we need to go hard after Matt Flynn, I mean we can still draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round too.

[skinsfaninok]

We ain't getting Luck and I really think Cleveland takes RG3

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Whats my point.... don't rule the Browns out of wanting a QB. Too many people here seem to think that because the Browns drafted McCoy last year they won't take another QB, or that because the team needs a RB they won't take a QB. I'm telling you.... "IF" RGIII does not get taken by the Colts, there are still possibilities that the other 4 teams ahead of the Skins might take a QB. Rumor is the Rams might take him and trade Bradford or keep both because of Bradfords contract. Another rumor is the Vikes might be interested and they could draft RGIII and trade or cut Ponder.
As I pointed out the Browns are salivating at the thought of drafting RGIII so it's almost no way he'd make it past them. and lastly the Bucks. We don't know who their HC is going to be and or who that HC might want as his QB when he gets there.

Personally moving up will cost too much especially with now a limited supply of top ranked QB's waiting to be drafted. Before we had Luck, RGIII, Landry, Barkley. Two are staying in college and if we have to move up you don't think those teams ahead of us aren't thinking ...how bad does someone want RGIII?

I foresee us either taking a top WR as a weapon, especially if we get a FA QB then drafting another QB in the second round, or we move back for more picks and still do what I said.

I see no logic in St. Louis drafting Robert Griffin III and keeping Sam Bradford.
While it's possible Minnesota could draft Griffin III, I doubt it happens.
The Browns are definitely a possibility, as I don't think they are completely sold on Colt McCoy.

I don't think it will cost too much for the Redskins to move up to #2. It is going to be a hefty ransom, but this is probably the only time I fully support the Redskins going all in to grab what many feel will be a franchise QB from day one. Either one, Luck or RG III, I'm fine with the Redskins doing what they need to do to land them. Other QBs in the draft - I don't see the Redskins drafting any of them at #6, which tells me that they are not guys that probably can be thrown into the fire and succeed from day one. So, in that case, the Redskins would have to give a hefty payday to a free agent QB, because Mike Shanahan will have pressure on him to land a franchise QB this offseason. This doesn't seem applicable to me in my opinion. Bruce Allen is not going to give up a huge payday to a free agent that may or may not live up to that potential. It would probably be more cost efficient for the Redskins to move up in the draft than it would to land one of the free agents. I do see the Redskins picking up a young guy in free agency (Jimmy Clausen) to be a backup and a development QB, but if they want a day one franchise starter, I just think it's RG III or Luck or it's bust.

And trust me, I have been going back and forth with this for weeks, but the more I think about it, and the closer we get to the draft, the more I'm starting to see it being more of a possibility that the Redskins do move up for a QB. I might change my opinions (yet again) after the combine though. :/

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

I just don't think the Redskins draft a QB at #6. If they draft a QB in the first round, it's going to be either because they move up, or they trade down and grab Tannehill toward the end of the first round or the second. Like I said before, I'm starting to believe more that the Redskins will actually move up to snag RG III. I didn't think so before when Barkley and Jones were possibilities.

As far as free agency, I'm thinking the 'skins pick up someone like Jimmy Clausen on the cheap as a backup guy (replacing John Beck) and drafting one of the two top QBs in the draft. Other than Cleveland, who else who truly needs a QB will be a good position to move up?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Unless I'm reading it wrong are you saying that you'd be surprised if the Colts don't take RGIII?

I honestly think they will take Luck but... there is some grumbling about RGIII's stock having gone up and teams are starting to view him as good or better then Luck. I'm not saying I think he is or isn't, I'm saying what some rumors are out there.

So what I mean is there is a possibility even the Colts might find RGIII worth looking at and if they don't take him (which most of us figure they won't) there are other teams starting to get interested in him that are in front of us. My point being I don't see a snow balls chance in you know what that we get him. Unless we throw a ton of picks at whoever is in front of the Browns and I really don't think that will happen. Comes down to supply and demand and with only two top QB left on the market demand will be higher. Miami might even weigh in on trying to move up.

My preference would be for the team to take whatever is the next best QB on the list at #6 because they might not be there in the second round, but I'd also be ok with the team taking a viable #1 WR at #6 and get the QB in the 2nd round to develope. But I'd like to see them get a good Vet QB in FA if they are going to do that cause most likely the Rookie QB might not be ready to start.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I just don't think the Redskins draft a QB at #6. If they draft a QB in the first round, it's going to be either because they move up, or they trade down and grab Tannehill toward the end of the first round or the second. Like I said before, I'm starting to believe more that the Redskins will actually move up to snag RG III. I didn't think so before when Barkley and Jones were possibilities.

As far as free agency, I'm thinking the 'skins pick up someone like Jimmy Clausen on the cheap as a backup guy (replacing John Beck) and drafting one of the two top QBs in the draft. Other than Cleveland, who else who truly needs a QB will be a good position to move up?

I like your response to my comment. I agree with you. If the team wants RGIII they are going to have to move up ahead of the Browns somehow. But I think the cost will be too much. Thats the only area where we are different. and I don't think MS will trade because of it being too costly. But no one ever knows what will happen.

Personally I think they will go hard for a Vet in FA and if they haven't had to give up their 1st or 2nd round draft pick they might still try to trade up, but the trade up depends on at what cost. I also think depending on who they get as a Vet might depend on whether they think it's worth holding off until the 2nd round to take a QB or if they should look into trading up.

It only makes sense. If you get a really good Vet then you can pick up a later round QB and develope him. There will be a need to fill the Vet spot Beck leaves. and what do they do with Grossman? if he leaves or the team does not retain him then there will be another spot to fill. If the team doesn't get a quality QB in FA then they should go after RGIII.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yeah I don't see any way we end up with RGIII at 6. Also, free agency starts long before the draft, so if we have any interest in a guy like Flynn, we'll have to pull the trigger before we see how the whole Luck/RGII and possibly Sam Bradford scenarios play out. Or maybe we just stay and 6th and reach for a guy like Tannehill... It's going to be a quite a ride.

If the plan is to stay at #6 and pick RG3 or Tannehill I can live with it since at least Tannehill is likely to be there.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We ain't getting Luck and I really think Cleveland takes RG3

Yep, and the Rams will take Blackmon. Our only chance of landing any of those players(RG3/Luck) is to give up draft picks. I say we roll the dice with Flynn and retain our draft picks.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

It boils down to whether or not the Browns take Trent Richardson and move on with Colt McCoy and I think they will.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I like your response to my comment. I agree with you. If the team wants RGIII they are going to have to move up ahead of the Browns somehow. But I think the cost will be too much. Thats the only area where we are different. and I don't think MS will trade because of it being too costly. But no one ever knows what will happen.

Personally I think they will go hard for a Vet in FA and if they haven't had to give up their 1st or 2nd round draft pick they might still try to trade up, but the trade up depends on at what cost. I also think depending on who they get as a Vet might depend on whether they think it's worth holding off until the 2nd round to take a QB or if they should look into trading up.

It only makes sense. If you get a really good Vet then you can pick up a later round QB and develope him. There will be a need to fill the Vet spot Beck leaves. and what do they do with Grossman? if he leaves or the team does not retain him then there will be another spot to fill. If the team doesn't get a quality QB in FA then they should go after RGIII.

It's going to be interesting come free agency time. I mean, everybody seems to be pointing at Matt Flynn as being the best free agent QB, and he might very well be. I'm just not sure exactly what that truly means though. He's had two outstanding games, but only two games! Dan Orlovsky, in relief of Curtis Painter, actually put up decent numbers and had a decent QB rating. His worst QB rating, 53.4% came against the Ravens defense. But, nobody is really talking about him. I haven't really watched him play, so I don't know if he'd really fit the mold for Shanahan's offense or not.

I just really think either way, the Redskins are almost forced to give up quite a bit for what most consider the best free agent QB this year, or to move up in the draft to get RG III or even Luck. Either way, I think we can agree that there is pressure on Mike Shanahan to bring in another starting quarterback for the Redskins this year. I'd rather the 'skins trade up if the Redskins feel they can make St. Louis an offer they can't refuse (saying that in my best Robert DeNiro voice.)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by celts32

If the plan is to stay at #6 and pick RG3 or Tannehill I can live with it since at least Tannehill is likely to be there.

Me too. I'm hoping that this is our plan. If so, we should come home from day 1 of the draft with a quality new QB.

[skinsguy]

I'll make this prediction though (and I truly have to go and workout now...) I think no matter how next season turns out, if Mike Shanahan drafts Robert Griffin III, Shanahan keeps his job throughout the end of his contract - even if the 'skins go through another losing season. IF Shanahan grabs Flynn in free agency, flynn doesn't live up to the hype and the 'skins have another sub .500 season - that could very well spell the end of Mike Shanahan. I just don't think Shanahan can afford to swing and miss this time with his quarterback. And unfortunately for him, I don't think Mike can wait another year for Barkley or Jones. Seems like everybody feels RG III is can't lose situation, I think it's going to be a tough call.

This, of course, is assuming it's an either or situation. I'm not sure how realistic it would be for the Redskins to both grab Matt Flynn AND draft RG III. I say there's no way both happens.