North Carolina passes same-sex marriage ban

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I was raised in a Baptist church no beer my friend. You still didn't get the jest of my post. It wasn't to say that churches don't help the poor and needy, but I have NEVER EVER seen or heard about around the country where people waited in lines and went way out of their way to support the poor and needy. Holding a BBQ or a golf tournament isn't going out of the way. Waiting in line for 3 hours to get a chicken sandwich to "support" a group is going out of your way.

You could get 100 pages of people gathering money, and I could gather 1,000 times that of people gathering money and doing things for the poor and needy that don't believe in god.

Really, you tell that to the people who spent hours upon hours organizing an event like those. We start 4 months prior to the golf outing getting it organized. Your just wrong and don't want to admitt it. Also I never injected god into this it was you.

[mlmpetert]

^ NCSkins is never wrong. NEVER

[Alvin Walton]

I wonder if God is a Callaway man.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Nerds?! Youre the one who, while reading a post from your computer, stood up and gave an entire round of applause to a post you agreed with. PLEASE tell me there were othere people around! Please!

Either way regardless of our differences i hope you had a happy bday!

Nothing wrong with being a nerd. I said it without any negative attached to it. I'm a nerd as well. I use "kids" as well.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Really, you tell that to the people who spent hours upon hours organizing an event like those. We start 4 months prior to the golf outing getting it organized. Your just wrong and don't want to admitt it. Also I never injected god into this it was you.

*sigh*


What is it with you? Why is it so F'n hard to understand what I said? You take one statement, and turn it into something completely different that I didn't say nor implied.

Let me go over this one more time with you.

Also, I find it sad that christians can go out of their way to support anti-gay measures, yet can't do the same for say...homeless people or other individuals in need. Which would you consider a pressing issue?

I even mentioned specifically the "waiting 3 hours in a line for chicken sandwich to support a homophobic individual" as a measure of "going out of your way.

It wasn't to say that churches don't help the poor and needy, but I have NEVER EVER seen or heard about around the country where people waited in lines and went way out of their way to support the poor and needy.

SO again, can any of you religious people point out to me where the christians have united nationwide (much like they did here) for a cause to help the poor and homeless? Can you show me one instance where christians on a mass level waited 3 hours just to help out some poor guy or some homeless person?

I think I'm quite aware that christians and churches help the poor and needy, but never seen anything organized like what was done for Chick-fila to help the poor and needy. Your local BBQ and gold tournament isn't even remotely on the same level as what happened on August 1st.

FD, I realize that the few people involved with arranging the BBQ and golf tournament put in hard work, but the majority of the people showing up do so to eat and golf and that's about it. I've been to a number of of these events and did diddly squat. Guess what? My family holds a annual golf tournament to help fund scholarships for a church my grandmother attended. Sure there are about 10-15 people or so that put in a ton of work to market it, plan it, and execute it. This still isn't anything remotely what I'm referring to and you know it. Great so you got a handful of people busting their asses to get a BBQ and gold tournament. How about the rest of the people?

Stop taking my comments out of context and twisting them into something that I haven't said.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

^ NCSkins is never wrong. NEVER

I admit when I'm wrong. However, I'm not wrong when you take something I said and twist it into something I have not and then act like I"m wrong. I'm still waiting for one of you guys so show me where the christians have united together (like they did for this chick-fila event) and support a worthy cause such as helping homeless or the needy. Any such event ever arranged? I'll be waiting.

I think the point was.(and still is) The churches can collectively get together to send their congregation down to chick-fila to support a bigot, yet they can't do the same for the homeless and needy?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I wonder id God is a Callaway man.

Ok , so when God is on the 18th green and about 12 to the hole and taps it,.....who does he pray to???

[firstdown]

[quote=NC_Skins;928568]I admit when I'm wrong. However, I'm not wrong when you take something I said and twist it into something I have not and then act like I"m wrong. I'm still waiting for one of you guys so show me where the christians have united together (like they did for this chick-fila event) and support a worthy cause such as helping homeless or the needy. Any such event ever arranged? I'll be waiting.

I think the point was.(and still is) The churches can collectively get together to send their congregation down to chick-fila to support a bigot, yet they can't do the same for the homeless and needy?[/qu

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

*sigh*


What is it with you? Why is it so F'n hard to understand what I said? You take one statement, and turn it into something completely different that I didn't say nor implied.

Let me go over this one more time with you.



I even mentioned specifically the "waiting 3 hours in a line for chicken sandwich to support a homophobic individual" as a measure of "going out of your way.





SO again, can any of you religious people point out to me where the christians have united nationwide (much like they did here) for a cause to help the poor and homeless? Can you show me one instance where christians on a mass level waited 3 hours just to help out some poor guy or some homeless person?

I think I'm quite aware that christians and churches help the poor and needy, but never seen anything organized like what was done for Chick-fila to help the poor and needy. Your local BBQ and gold tournament isn't even remotely on the same level as what happened on August 1st.

FD, I realize that the few people involved with arranging the BBQ and golf tournament put in hard work, but the majority of the people showing up do so to eat and golf and that's about it. I've been to a number of of these events and did diddly squat. Guess what? My family holds a annual golf tournament to help fund scholarships for a church my grandmother attended. Sure there are about 10-15 people or so that put in a ton of work to market it, plan it, and execute it. This still isn't anything remotely what I'm referring to and you know it. Great so you got a handful of people busting their asses to get a BBQ and gold tournament. How about the rest of the people?

Stop taking my comments out of context and twisting them into something that I haven't said.

By the way when did I ever say I was religious.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

By the way when did I ever say I was religious.

You're not religous from what I gather. I should have stated. "Can any of you religious (or non)......" That was a my error for not adding that in.


In fact, I think you may be the first conservative I've ever come across that wasn't religious. (my impression of you from what you've said before anyways)

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You're not religous from what I gather. I should have stated. "Can any of you religious (or non)......" That was a my error for not adding that in.


In fact, I think you may be the first conservative I've ever come across that wasn't religious. (my impression of you from what you've said before anyways)

I have plenty of conservative friends that are not very religious or bible thumpers as some may call them. I guess if we take your statement about people waiting in line at a CFA for 3 hours to help the poor your right not very many examples if any. You came across (and I don't think by accident) sounding like religious people don't do anything to help the poor or the needy and that's 100% false. They do plenty day after day it just does not involve standing in a line for 3 hours.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok , so when God is on the 18th green and about 12 to the hole and taps it,.....who does he pray to???

He does it in third person.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You came across (and I don't think by accident) sounding like religious people don't do anything to help the poor or the needy and that's 100% false. They do plenty day after day it just does not involve standing in a line for 3 hours.

That wasn't, nor ever intended to be the implication from what I said. I grew up in a christian home, went to a christian school so I understand what the christian community does. We were talking about something on a national level that was coordinated by the mass christian community, and hence I made my comment about them going out of their way to do the same for something more worthy.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Daseal

The difference that you seem to be missing, is marriage isn't forcing a single thing on the churches. It is creating more freedom for the individuals to make decisions, while others are trying to constrict freedom. The amount of time and money taken up by gay marriage is beyond crazy to me. Let them get married so that they can be viewed legally as one for things like healthcare, next-of-kin, etc type decisions. It doesn't affect anyone in a negative manner if we do this. If this went live today, no one here (unless you're a gay person that gets married) has their life changed.

Most gay couples, and many non-gay couples, couldn't give half a shit if the 'church recognizes' their marriage. It's about the legal ramifications around not being married that matters; if this happens, non-gay couples need to have their title to the government changed as well. It is about fairness and consistency.

The church doesn't have to recognize marriage. Call it something else if you like -- as long as it fills the legal roles of a typical marriage. Your argument should have 0 credibility or influence on this decision because the church, and their values, should not be weighed or factored in when it comes to making governmental decisions. No Christians are being forced to do anything, they're just trying to force others from having something.

I never said anything about the church being forced to recognize gay marriage. I said instead of the government deciding what the definition of marriage should be, get the government out of marriage completely and leave it up to the religious institutions to decide. That's pretty much where the sense of marriage came from in the first place. The gay community could have their own ceremony, and the straight, religious (and non-religious as well) could have whatever ceremony they wanted to have. This has gone on long enough anyway. You can't force either side to give up their stance, and getting the government involved is a waste of time and taxpayer money.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I said instead of the government deciding what the definition of marriage should be, get the government out of marriage completely and leave it up to the religious institutions to decide. That's pretty much where the sense of marriage came from in the first place. .

I suggest you read JR's post on the prior page about marriage, religion, and government.