2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If he left the company in 1999, then his name shouldn't have been on the company's SEC filings as listed at the CEO. We call this falsifying documents or lying.


He's claiming he left the company in 1999. (to escape the bad deeds from Bain)


SEC documents show he didn't leave the company.



So, I ask again. Which is it?

You're choosing to not read the links or just being obtuse:

from the WaPo link: "We consulted with securities law experts, with many years of experience with these forms. One expert examined this document at our request. He suspected that someone had simply duplicated a filing that had been made many times before, though he acknowledged, “it looks inartful in retrospect.” He pointed out that the titles are basically meaningless, that someone can be listed as a chief executive and actually have no responsibilities whatsoever. "

also: "Moreover, there is another document — the 2002 Massachusetts Ballot Law Commission report that certified that Romney could run for governor. The findings in this report were the result of weeks of testimony and investigation. We have embedded the report below."
Romney Ballot Law Commission Decision

Game, set, and MATCH. Move on.

How about some answers on Rezko, Bill Ayers, billions in green energy pay-offs to Obama bundlers, Fast & Furious, the crappy economy, etc., etc., etc. As usual Obama supporters won't respond to those questions, or they respond with typical Dem/lib talking points that have no substance.

[NC_Skins]

Hey guys, it's ok. Obama while being the President, wasn't really in charge these past 3-1/2 years. Yeah, he took a leave of absence and left Congress in charge, even though he's listed as our President and Commander in Chief. This absolves him of any wrong doing the past few years, and none of it should be held against him, unless of course it's positive, in which case, use it!!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

SlinginSammy33,

A quote from your WaPo article:

“Even the documents cherry-picked by House Republicans today affirm what we have said all along: This loan was a decision made on the merits at the Department of Energy,” Schultz said in a statement. “Nothing in the 85,000 pages of documents produced thus far by the Administration or in these four indicate any favoritism to political supporters.”

Washington Post Dec. 28, 2011

"records do not establish that the Energy Department pressured anyone to approve the Solyndra loan to benefit political contributors."

Per Politico. Hardly left leaning. 3/27/2012

More than a year into a probe that's extended to the Energy Department loan guarantee portfolio, Republican investigators even acknowledge they've fallen short of substantiating their allegations that the administration helped political allies like Tulsa oilman George Kaiser secure hundreds of millions of dollars in subsidies through a loan guarantee to Solyndra.

"Is there a criminal activity? Perhaps not," Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa told POLITICO after last Tuesday’s showdown with Energy Secretary Steven Chu. "Is there a political influence and connections? Perhaps not. Did they bend the rules for an agenda, an agenda not covered within the statute? Absolutely."

More from Politico: 6/5/12

Among other findings...Spinner, an Obama fundraiser, monitored the Solyndra loan guarantee while working as an Energy Department adviser — Still, House investigators have been unable to show that the administration approved the Solyndra guarantee to please the president’s campaign donors.

What you chose not to quote:

From WaPo:
"In March 2010, Mitchell wrote Kaiser about Energy Secretary Steven Chu, describing his attempts to secure a second Energy Department loan. “Chu is apparently staying involved in Solyndra’s application and continues to talk up the company as a success story,” Mitchell wrote. "

"In an October 2010 e-mail exchange, Kaiser appeared to challenge a plan by his associates to press the White House for unspecified help. “The WH has offered to help in the past and we do have a contact within the WH that we are working with,” Mitchell wrote to Kaiser. Kaiser suggested that Chu might take offense at any attempt to go over his head.
“I question the assumption that the WH is the path to pursue when both of your issues are with the” Energy Department, Kaiser wrote to associates Oct. 6, 2010. He said presidential counselor Pete Rouse and Carol Browner, who then headed the White House energy office, might not choose to get involved in the issue.
“If they did, I am concerned that DOE/Chu would resent the intervention,” Kaiser wrote.
Mitchell replied, “The WH meeting is more about assistance in selling panels to the government than it is about getting the DOE loan revised.”
Kaiser responded that Mitchell should “pursue” his White House contacts “to follow up on the casual comment during the plant visit.” Obama had visited Solyndra’s Silicon Valley factory in May 2010 for a press event."

From the ABC link:
" In one pointed memo, shortly before the company declared bankruptcy, a top Treasury official wrote to the White House to make clear that the decision to restructure the deal did not have Treasury or Justice Department approval -- despite early suggestions that approval from both agencies may be required."

"An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday.
"How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J. Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."

and from the other WaPo link:
But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out">Throw Them All Out" /> Throw Them All Out">Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion.

So the left throws complete speculation that has been debunked for years about Romney/Bain and that's supposed to equate/negate hard facts on Obama funneling tax money to bundlers....ummm OK.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Actually that's not what he said and I'm almost 100% sure you didn't watch the speech.

What you or SlinginSammy33 won't realize or admit, not sure which. The DOE_ Loan Program was started by George Bush. The Energy Department's loan guarantee program was created as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, passed by a Republican-controlled Congress and signed by Bush.

Did you read that, 2005! And it's not stimulus money for Christ's sake. Good lord! There's some debate whether Bush wanted to close the loan out after before he left office, but their fingerprints are on this too.

Solyndra didn't work out. As I've said before, they bet on the wrong horse. I don't fault the president for wanting an enterprise, that he's politically invested in, to succeed. There's nothing wrong with that as long as everything is done on the level.

btw, even Huff Post is calling out Spinner/Solyndra.

Steve Spinner, Energy Department Adviser, Pushed Solyndra Loan, Emails Show

you get a huge C'MON MAN for defending Obama's Solyndra mess.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

He pointed out that the titles are basically meaningless, that someone can be listed as a chief executive and actually have no responsibilities whatsoever. "

So now titles doesn't mean anything? Sweet. President Obama, your title of President of the United States means you can escape any criticism thrown your way. Yup, being listed as POTUS and

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

How about some answers on Rezko, Bill Ayers, billions in green energy pay-offs to Obama bundlers, Fast & Furious, the crappy economy, etc., etc., etc. As usual Obama supporters won't respond to those questions, or they respond with typical Dem/lib talking points that have no substance.

LOLOLOL Obama supporter? You're cute when you spout fallacies.




..and

President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act - Now What? - Forbes

..and

Obama approves extension of expiring Patriot Act provisions - CNN

..and





...and

McDonald's, 29 other firms get health care coverage waivers - USATODAY.com

..etc


Still got a chuckle out of that "Obama supporter" comment.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

LOLOLOL Obama supporter? You're cute when you spout fallacies.

Still got a chuckle out of that "Obama supporter" comment.

As FD mentioned a while back your posts are 10 - 1 supporting Obama/Dems/liberal issues and/or bashing conservatives/GOP vs. the other way around.

and no one on the left (or anyone who claims to be "down the middle" LOLOLOL) has any reasonable answers for any of my questions.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

As FD mentioned a while back your posts are 10 - 1 supporting Obama/Dems/liberal issues and/or bashing conservatives/GOP vs. the other way around.

and no one on the left (or anyone who claims to be "down the middle" LOLOLOL) has any reasonable answers for any of my questions.

I post my stuff as they arise. I also don't post garbage like Fox News. I can certainly dig and find you 2 year old related stuff if you like, but I do like to keep current. Obama lost my vote long ago; however, I have to correct people on inaccuracies or their half-truths.

Also, the reason I'm supporting the dems/liberal/obama issues is that quite frankly, the Republicans have been the bigger idiots as of late. You only need to look at who they are parading out for Presidential election to see that.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

What you chose not to quote:

From WaPo:
"In March 2010, Mitchell wrote Kaiser about Energy Secretary Steven Chu, describing his attempts to secure a second Energy Department loan. “Chu is apparently staying involved in Solyndra’s application and continues to talk up the company as a success story,” Mitchell wrote. "

"In an October 2010 e-mail exchange, Kaiser appeared to challenge a plan by his associates to press the White House for unspecified help. “The WH has offered to help in the past and we do have a contact within the WH that we are working with,” Mitchell wrote to Kaiser. Kaiser suggested that Chu might take offense at any attempt to go over his head.
“I question the assumption that the WH is the path to pursue when both of your issues are with the” Energy Department, Kaiser wrote to associates Oct. 6, 2010. He said presidential counselor Pete Rouse and Carol Browner, who then headed the White House energy office, might not choose to get involved in the issue.
“If they did, I am concerned that DOE/Chu would resent the intervention,” Kaiser wrote.
Mitchell replied, “The WH meeting is more about assistance in selling panels to the government than it is about getting the DOE loan revised.”
Kaiser responded that Mitchell should “pursue” his White House contacts “to follow up on the casual comment during the plant visit.” Obama had visited Solyndra’s Silicon Valley factory in May 2010 for a press event."

From the ABC link:
" In one pointed memo, shortly before the company declared bankruptcy, a top Treasury official wrote to the White House to make clear that the decision to restructure the deal did not have Treasury or Justice Department approval -- despite early suggestions that approval from both agencies may be required."

"An elite Obama fundraiser hired to help oversee the administration's energy loan program pushed and prodded career Department of Energy officials to move faster in approving a loan guarantee for Solyndra, even as his wife's law firm was representing the California solar company, according to internal emails made public late Friday.
"How hard is this? What is he waiting for?" wrote Steven J. Spinner, a high-tech consultant and energy investor who raised at least $500,000 for the candidate before being appointed to a key job helping oversee the energy loan guarantee program. "I have OVP [the Office of the Vice President] and WH [the White House] breathing down my neck on this."

and from the other WaPo link:
But as Hoover Institution scholar Peter Schweizer reported in his book, “Throw Them All Out,” fully 71 percent of the Obama Energy Department’s grants and loans went to “individuals who were bundlers, members of Obama’s National Finance Committee, or large donors to the Democratic Party.” Collectively, these Obama cronies raised $457,834 for his campaign, and they were in turn approved for grants or loans of nearly $11.35 billion.

So the left throws complete speculation that has been debunked for years about Romney/Bain and that's supposed to equate/negate hard facts on Obama funneling tax money to bundlers....ummm OK.

Dude, all you're doing is quoting an email about an email about what so and so said. A big effin' so what.

Nothing, in anything you've cut and pasted, mentions him getting any special favoritism from a White House officials.

If the guy had so much juice and the money was flowing, why didn't he go straight to the top? Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Seems like he's jumping through a lot of hoops for the White House to be so eager to reward one of their campaign donors.

[12thMan]

Bottom line, they've investigated and it's yield goose eggs.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Bottom line, they've investigated and it's yield goose eggs.

ditto with Bain/Romney.....but I don't think all the shoes have dropped yet with the green energy issues. There are many ongoing gov't investigations, Solyndra is just one.

[12thMan]

Apples and oranges comparing Bain to Solyndra. But we shall see. More shoes to drop on Bain and Romney knows it.

[NC_Skins]

Not sure how this hasn't hit here yet, but this is hilarious.


McCain: Palin was 'better candidate' than Romney - POLITICO.com

Carville: Romney losing the fight over Bain - CBS News

Palin a better candidate than Romney?...lol Ouch.




Also, this is McCain's notes and profile on Romney when he was choosing running mates back in 2008. Hilarious stuff and will keep you laughing for a while.


McCain's 2008 Anti-Mitt Romney Oppo Research Raised 2012 Themes : It's All Politics : NPR


My favorite parts:

Romney: “I Purchased A Gun When I Was A Young Man. I’ve Been A Hunter Pretty Much All My Life.”(Glen Johnson, “Romney Calls Himself A Longtime Hunter,” The Associated Press , 4/5/07)

Romney Later Admitted He Has Been Hunting Only Twice In His Life – Once Nearly Fifty Years Ago, OnceAt “Fenced Game Preserve” On 2006 Retreat For Political Donors.“[T]he former Massachusetts governor’shunting experience is limited to two trips at the bookends of his 60 years: as a 15-year-old, when he huntedrabbits with his cousins on a ranch in Idaho, and last year, when he shot quail on a fenced game preserve inGeorgia. Last year’s trip was an outing with major donors to the Republican Governors Association, whichRomney headed at the time.”(Glen Johnson, “Romney Calls Himself A Longtime Hunter,”
The Associated Press , 4/5/07)


After Professing He Owned A Gun, Romney Admitted The Gun Was Not His But Maintained He WentHunting “From Time To Time.”
“Asked by reporters at the gun show Friday whether he personally owned thegun, Romney said he did not. He said one of his sons, Josh, keeps two guns at the family vacation home in Utah,and he uses them ‘from time to time.’

“From abortion, to gaymarriage, to gun rights, to tax cuts, to immigration reform, to Social Security -- even his own political heroes --Romney has switched his positions on just about every issue in this campaign.”(Heidi Przybyla, “Romney, Battered OverSocial Issues, Shifts Focus To Economics,”Bloomberg News , 2/7/07)

Romney: “I thought becoming rich and famous would make me happy. Boy was I right.” (Tape 78

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

If the guy had so much juice and the money was flowing, why didn't he go straight to the top? Isn't that how it's supposed to work? Seems like he's jumping through a lot of hoops for the White House to be so eager to reward one of their campaign donors.

Why was DoE awarding hundreds of millions of dollars in gov't guaranteed loans to companies with junk bond credit ratings?

Either the Obama Admin is galactically stupid or galactically corrupt, you pick. Alex, I'll take Galactically Corrupt for $ 1000.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ees-Report.pdf

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Why was DoE awarding hundreds of millions of dollars in gov't guaranteed loans to companies with junk bond credit ratings?

Either the Obama Admin is galactically stupid or galactically corrupt, you pick. Alex, I'll take Galactically Corrupt for $ 1000.

http://oversight.house.gov/wp-conten...ees-Report.pdf

LOL..that literally made me laugh out loud. I got nothing. I'll dig up something later, but I'll let you have this round for comedic value.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure how this hasn't hit here yet, but this is hilarious.


McCain: Palin was 'better candidate' than Romney - POLITICO.com

Carville: Romney losing the fight over Bain - CBS News

Palin a better candidate than Romney?...lol Ouch.




Also, this is McCain's notes and profile on Romney when he was choosing running mates back in 2008. Hilarious stuff and will keep you laughing for a while.


McCain's 2008 Anti-Mitt Romney Oppo Research Raised 2012 Themes : It's All Politics : NPR


My favorite parts:

When you say your not a dem or an Obama supporter its like when Clinton said I never had sex with that lady.LMAO