Official Redskins Free Agency Thread 2013 Part II

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Have you ever watched Hall play in a game?

It depends which game. Hall in one game will look great like against Dallas, then the next week will look awful, getting dragged by QB's and getting beat by third string receivers. Because Hall is so inconsistent, it just depends on which game you watch whether or not Hall will be good or bad, Hall isn't gaining much attention for a reason, because teams are not dumb enough to pay him almost 8 million like the skins would have, which is why they cut him.

Winfield would be a great value for the skins to sign depending on the price, a lot more valuable than Hall seeing as how Winfield graded out a lot better than Hall. Luckily the Skins are waiting for the market to settle which is what great teams do.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by donofriose

It depends which game. Hall in one game will look great like against Dallas, then the next week will look awful, getting dragged by QB's and getting beat by third string receivers. Because Hall is so inconsistent, it just depends on which game you watch whether or not Hall will be good or bad, Hall is gaining much attention for a reason, because teams are not dumb enough to pay him almost 8 million like the skins would have, which is why they cut him.

Winfield would be a great value for the skins to sign depending on the price, a lot more valuable than Hall seeing as how Winfield graded out a lot better than Hall. Luckily the Skins are waiting for the market to settle which is what great teams do.

This is it in a nutshell. If Hall played at his top level every game(he won't), and kept stupidity off the field (he's been better of late), then maybe he would be worth keeping, but never at anywhere near what he was going to make, especially in a cap strapped year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Winfield's play hasn't declined. He'd be a good pickup on a short term contract. Unlike Hall, Winfield will actually tackle people.

Hall at FS would drive me crazy. I couldn't stand watching him, as our last line of defense, getting run over or avoiding tackling altogether. He plays football like a matador and I hate that.

You're right about one thing: CB should be a high draft pick. We should also sign one more vet on a short term deal.

Yeah not sure where this Hall at safety idea comes from. With his style of play he's best suited for corner. He gambles way too much. Who's to say if he would even want to play safety full time??

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Have you ever watched Hall play in a game?

I've seen every Redskins game and player since 1960 and Hall is no safety.

[MTK]

Let's face it Hall or Winfield are both stop gaps. Even at his age Winfield is the better player and value.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I don't think we would bring back Hall and sign Winfield. That would give us 5 CBs on the roster and two-three guys who could possibly be gone next year (Wilson, Hall, Winfield)

Wouldn't we be best served by adding one more vet to the secondary and drafting the rest?

[JoeRedskin]

Yeah. I am pretty sure it's a choice between Hall or Winfield. Me, I go with Winfield in heartbeat.

Hall as a safety? It is to laugh.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I don't think we would bring back Hall and sign Winfield. That would give us 5 CBs on the roster and two-three guys who could possibly be gone next year (Wilson, Hall, Winfield)

Wouldn't we be best served by adding one more vet to the secondary and drafting the rest?

That's most likely the plan.

[Meks]

I'd bring Hall back simply based on his knowledge of the system and the rest of the players on the D .. rather than Winfield learning our D.. the skill level is closely comparable and I just see someone who has lived this system for a few years as being a better fit than someone compareable in skill level.. but for us, it's all going to come down to the amount of $ each of these players is willing to sign for... I'm fine with Hall coming back, he played well down the stretch and could be teaching a rookie or two this system when we draft them.. IMO i think that might be the better of these 2 scenarios

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Meks

I'd bring Hall back simply based on his knowledge of the system and the rest of the players on the D .. rather than Winfield learning our D.. the skill level is closely comparable and I just see someone who has lived this system for a few years as being a better fit than someone compareable in skill level.. but for us, it's all going to come down to the amount of $ each of these players is willing to sign for... I'm fine with Hall coming back, he played well down the stretch and could be teaching a rookie or two this system when we draft them.. IMO i think that might be the better of these 2 scenarios

i disagree . . . the last person i would wan't mentoring the young secondary players is Hall, a corner that only positive aspect is his ability to get a pick . . . he is horrible in coverage, horrible against the run, horrible blitzing and a complete headcase . . . keep him as far away from the rookies as you can!! at least winfield has something to teach!! and winfield now is 10 times the player that hall ever was . . .

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

BOLD PREDICTION: We sign Hall AND Winfield (after some more restructuring), and then take 5 CBs and safeties in the draft….

It's not THAT bold...it's smart for our position.

We need to load up on young secondary players but need some certainty going into this year which Winfield and Hall could provide. Hopefully a few of the draft picks will be long-term gold but we shouldn't count on mid-round picks saving us this year.

[JoeRedskin]

To me, Hall and Davis are the last remnants of the Vinny years. Each has talent. Each is vastly overrating themselves in terms of that talent.

I concede that, both in terms of play and attitude Hall seemed to turn himself around a little the last half of last year. As others have pointed out, however, there is simply no guarantee that he continues to do so. If we end up with him back, it wouldn't be the end of the world although I think it best if both he and the team move on. [As for mentoring younger players - Hall is the one who needs constant mentoring. W/o Fletcher to ride herd, I am convinced Hall's gambling style and attitude would be astronomically worse].

As to "knowing the system", well ... Winfield is a good 10 year vet. While I don't know what his background is in terms of the defenses he has played, I think "system knowledge" is vastly overrated.

The real question is does he have the talent and qualities that make him a fit for our system. To that, I think he has shown himself to be a physical corner that our system requires. The guy knows how to blitz, is a physical tackler and can still cover well enough. Since his profile seems to fit the scheme we play, I feel pretty sure we don't run anything so exotic that a 10 year vet can't pick it up in an off-season.

The "knows the system" argument was the same some here advanced for keeping Gafney over Garcon last year. Pretty sure we all can agree that, in hindsight, we're glad the Skins made that switch.

[Meks]

I'd never want gaffney over and younger faster more upside garcon lol..

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Let's face it Hall or Winfield are both stop gaps. Even at his age Winfield is the better player and value.

Yes, because a guy who can't make it on the field, is better then one who is.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

To me, Hall and Davis are the last remnants of the Vinny years. Each has talent. Each is vastly overrating themselves in terms of that talent.

I concede that, both in terms of play and attitude Hall seemed to turn himself around a little the last half of last year. As others have pointed out, however, there is simply no guarantee that he continues to do so. If we end up with him back, it wouldn't be the end of the world although I think it best if both he and the team move on. [As for mentoring younger players - Hall is the one who needs constant mentoring. W/o Fletcher to ride herd, I am convinced Hall's gambling style and attitude would be astronomically worse].

As to "knowing the system", well ... Winfield is a good 10 year vet. While I don't know what his background is in terms of the defenses he has played, I think "system knowledge" is vastly overrated.

The real question is does he have the talent and qualities that make him a fit for our system. To that, I think he has shown himself to be a physical corner that our system requires. The guy knows how to blitz, is a physical tackler and can still cover well enough. Since his profile seems to fit the scheme we play, I feel pretty sure we don't run anything so exotic that a 10 year vet can't pick it up in an off-season.

The "knows the system" argument was the same some here advanced for keeping Gafney over Garcon last year. Pretty sure we all can agree that, in hindsight, we're glad the Skins made that switch.

Ye of little faith. We would have won 9 out of 9 games Gaffney played in.