Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

It's not that simple, Schneed, because Kirk can become a FA in 2016. The Skins can't just decide how much they would like to pay him or even if they get to keep him.

If Kirk plays well, by the time this season is over we may have real competition from other teams for Kirk's services. If so, we'll probably need to pay him more money on a longer contract if we want to keep him.

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

You better stop with that sense making stuff, can't go around talking logic to peoplex. That's how people get hurt

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If he's that good they'll tag him. Chill, bro.

Gee, I must admit I forgot all about the tag. Nevermind.

[Chico23231]

Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

I thought there was no way the Qb tag would be 25 mil next year but wholly hell, it currently is. Apparently some back loaded contracts are coming due resulting in a QB franchise tag increase of 37%!!!!! The number may go down in some of the top 5 restructure.

Joe Flacco $28,550,000
Drew Brees $27,400,000
Ben Roethlisberger $23,950,000
Matt Ryan $23,750,000
Matthew Stafford $22,500,000


https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comment...ojected_to_be/

^^ pretty good fan conversation on next years projected franchise Qb tag.

2016 Quarterback Contracts and Salaries | Over The Cap

^^ Qbs get paid. Kirk is easily going to get btw 6 and 14 mil per if he continues to play decent.

[Schneed10]

Mark Sanchez is making $4.5M on a two year deal as a backup in Philly. Have to let the season play out but that's the absolute floor - I'd say Kirk has been better than Sanchez.

$8M per season feels reasonable at the moment for Kirk but like I said, have to let the season play out. If he were to hit the open market he might get more just because some teams are starving for a QB and might overpay.

Whatever, let's see how it goes.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Projected qb franchise tag is over 25 million. Poor choice IMO, real poor choice

I completely agree, but I was responding to KI's thought that if Kirk plays real well from here on in, his price might get up there pretty high.

I'm just saying if he's suddenly super consistent and clutch from here on in, then we will have made the playoffs, and suddenly we'll be looking at him like a potential franchise guy. At that point, the possibility of the franchise or transition tag enters your mind.

But that's getting ahead of ourselves, and it's just a best possible scenario. The likelihood is that he'll have a few more clunkers the rest of the way.

The tendency is for people to take his last game and project that forward. He was dynamite against Tampa, but there's nothing in his history to suggest he can do that 9 games in a row. That's a lofty leap of faith.

If he keeps up his current pattern of good game/bad game, he'll be worth around $8M per season. You'd never tag him at that point. You'd simply place your value on him, and if someone offers to overpay then you grin & bear it with Colt McCoy as your bridge to a new starter. That possibility terrifies people, but it would be better than drastically overpaying for another Mark Sanchez.

McCloughan will do the right thing.

[Schneed10]

Also, anyone notice the bond McCloughan formed with Junior Galette? He had him crying in his office, so much so that Junior was dying to repay the 'Skins for taking a chance on him. Of course McC shares a common bond with Galette in that they've both made mistakes and believe in second chances.

Whatever, my point is that McCloughan did a real nice job selling Galette on the Redskins and getting him for cheap. He might have a shot at resigning him for cheap coming off this achilles, too.

I wouldn't put it past McCloughan to meet with Cousins at season's end and convince him to pass up a chance at free agency & bigger money and sign with the Skins.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Also, anyone notice the bond McCloughan formed with Junior Galette? He had him crying in his office, so much so that Junior was dying to repay the 'Skins for taking a chance on him.

Yes, that told me a lot about Scot and his way to instill confidence in others that he knows what he is doing. Also, the redemption aspect was cool.

Big fan of Scot. hell, im a big fan of Bruce for the way he handled the cap as a placekeeper until he could find a Scot to step in. (not a fan of bruce's condescending and smug post season presser last year).

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Other than 30gut, please point to anyone suggesting, at this point, who is saying RGIII is a better option than KC?



Also, can we drop the "young QB" crap please. He's 27, midway through his 4th year in the league. At some point the "not enough starts" argument is just tiresome. He has played enough and been in the league long enough to make an evaluation. Throughout his career, he has been consistently inconsistent.



I would love to be wrong. I would love for the guy to flip some switch that entirely alters the way he has been playing. Just not getting my hopes up based on how he has played for the last three years and a half years.

But experience wise he is young. Do you not believe starting games has more to do with becoming a better qb than simply aging?
Edit: furthermore, he is finally after 3 years getting all the first team reps, and attention as a starter. This is like his rookie year in more than one way, that has to be taken into account. Not sure how it is getting "old" in week 8? Do not mistake my comments as me saying he will pan out, or he is the future. However we are 8 weeks into his first true audition imo.
When you are pulled off the bench in the second half, or cast into the starting role when the season is over already its easy to be inconsistent. This is year number one with him as the pre ordained starting qb from the preseason. That is a fact not an opinion. We are seeing absolute growth as is evident by his calm cool and collected self in clutch time. All of this without a true number one wr, and a banged up oline, a non existent run game, and a defense that has not exactly kept him in rythym by stopping the other teams. He has willed us to victory more than once this year.

[JoeRedskin]

"Experience wise he's not a young QB"?? Sorry, to me young QB means a guy 25 and under - it has nothing to do with starts or experience. Weeden came into the game an "old" QB at 29 even though he hadn't started a single game. KC my be an "inexperienced QB," though I would argue the point; he is most certainly not a "young" QB.

I understand the "not-enough-starts" argument. However, I think that holds water in year one and two, loses something in year three and is meaningless by years four, five and beyond. I get that consistent starting makes a difference. At the same time, he has plenty of in-game experience to see what kind of QB he is. Starter or not, by your fourth year in the league, you either get it or you don't. I have seen nothing to convince me he can be game-to-game consistent.

[Really, I can think of only a few "late bloomers" ever: Plunkett, Gannon, and Theisman. To me, these guys are the exception not the rule. Further, although I may be wrong, I don't think any of the three cited were turnover machines before they excelled in their respective starting gigs.]

Very simply, he is making the same mistakes now that he made three years ago. I am seeing some improvement in terms of not melting down after a screw-up, but not in avoiding the screw ups in the first place.

He has nine games to change my mind. I truly, truly hope he does.

[rocnrik]

9 GAMES TO CHANGE HIS FUTURE!! I am pulling for Kirk!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

"Experience wise he's not a young QB"?? Sorry, to me young QB means a guy 25 and under - it has nothing to do with starts or experience. Weeden came into the game an "old" QB at 29 even though he hadn't started a single game. KC my be an "inexperienced QB," though I would argue the point; he is most certainly not a "young" QB.



I understand the "not-enough-starts" argument. However, I think that holds water in year one and two, loses something in year three and is meaningless by years four, five and beyond. I get that consistent starting makes a difference. At the same time, he has plenty of in-game experience to see what kind of QB he is. Starter or not, by your fourth year in the league, you either get it or you don't. I have seen nothing to convince me he can be game-to-game consistent.



[Really, I can think of only a few "late bloomers" ever: Plunkett, Gannon, and Theisman. To me, these guys are the exception not the rule. Further, although I may be wrong, I don't think any of the three cited were turnover machines before they excelled in their respective starting gigs.]



Very simply, he is making the same mistakes now that he made three years ago. I am seeing some improvement in terms of not melting down after a screw-up, but not in avoiding the screw ups in the first place.



He has nine games to change my mind. I truly, truly hope he does.

Your very last sentence would be just fine. Totally agree with the age vs game experience thing. Late bloomer to me is a qb who starts more than one or two seasons worth of games, or drifts around the league as a backup and than bursts on to the scene, not one who rides the bench behind a first round pick for a couple years than gets his chance. I would not call Steve Young a late bloomer. He got a late chance. His and KC's whole NFL trips are very rare. They both were deemed worth holding onto while waiting for their chance. Not often a team picks a qb at number two than drafts another so early if at all that year. KC never had a chance in 2012 except to come off the bench and for good reason. 2013 and 2014 to me would be a tough go for any second or third year qb. Changing of regimes and a polarizing guy like RG-3 still clearly at the forefront of the qb discussion.
If we are looking for progress we need not look towards the end of the season. I saw it just last week when he pulled off the biggest comeback in team history. No matter who we were playing that is not an easy thing to do. I for one think KC is smart enough -especially after last week - to learn not to force throws and the issue during a game. He will mature (in starting game years) and wait for a bettet team to be built around him, number one wr, better run game, better o-line, better D!

[rocnrik]

Punch it in …I could not have said it better!!

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

(not a fan of bruce's condescending and smug post season presser last year).

Name another front office suit in the NFL who would mow the grass.

Name just one!