QB or BPA for our #1 Draft Pick - 2020

[Warthog]

I think it’s hard to grade guys like Allen, Payne, and even Sweat when the defense is so poorly coached.

Secondly, the team has done a terrible job managing and picking up FA. That’s all in Bruce Allen! His grubby little prints are all over the bad FA decisions he’s made over the last decade. We’ve consistently picked FA who can’t stay healthy. Out of our top 8 FA, only two finished the season. The rest were hurt from the get-go or we got minimum production.

The easy answer is to get ruthless and trade or cut almost all the FA. Of all the FA besides Collins, they should all be dumped. We can get a second rounder for Trent and maybe a fourth for Kerrigan.

It’s time to rebuild. That’s what will be enticing to a new HC. Dumping all the FA will open up $80-90 mill in cap money.
Kyle Smith should be making the FA decisions, not Bruce Allen.

With Kyle Smith’s past two drafts, he’s done very well. We’ve got plenty of rookies from the 2018/9 draft and even UDFA who are playing well above their draft position. This team is young and hungry. With good coaching it can do far better than we are now.

Finally the new HC has a great choice - take Chase Young -BPA in the draft, or trade down from #2 for a king’s ransom in draft picks. Either choice is a winner.

A ton of cap money; Chase Young or a trade down for a boat load of draft picks; Kyle Smith is a very good judge of draft talent; and a lot of young players who are doing well even with poor coaching. All this is a diamond in the rough for a good HC - as long as Bruce is gone.






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[EdmundDorf]

Originally Posted by Warthog

A ton of cap money; Chase Young or a trade down for a boat load of draft picks; Kyle Smith is a very good judge of draft talent; and a lot of young players who are doing well even with poor coaching. All this is a diamond in the rough for a good HC - as long as Bruce is gone

I totally agree, contrary to what the talking heads in the media say, I can't see why Dallas is attractive at all.... no new coach there will get the credit for building that team, Jerry wants all the credit..... and coaches, like owners and GMs, are egotists when it comes to getting credit. Assuming Bruce is gone as part of any deal then any new coach has a clean slate, a very low bar for success and will get all the credit as soon as (if) the skins get into the playoffs and will have 3 years at least to turn things around...... and a promising young quarterback in place.

[htownskinfan]

Were not getting Chase Young,this is the redskins were talking about and they will fuck it up somehow.If somehow we still have 2nd pick when draft gets here if I'm Chase Young I'm staying in school,I wouldnt go to the skins

[Chico23231]

The reason we are struggling in the run is mostly we are cleaning up at that second level...when we do that we ball.

[skinsfaninok]

Joe Burrow is Tony Romo 2.0 but a bit more accurate. He's going to be really good

[CRedskinsRule]

Can we not call college players generational talents until they are in the hall of fame?

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can we not call college players generational talents until they are in the hall of fame?

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I am fine calling people generational talents, just because they have the talent doesn't mean they will develop into a HOF

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am fine calling people generational talents, just because they have the talent doesn't mean they will develop into a HOF

To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

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[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

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I mostly agree with you CRed but I always took Chase Young talk as being a "generational talent" for an edge rusher and generation being a shorter maybe 7-10 year window which is the life span of a good NFL player.

But the Bosas were generational talents at end, Myles garrett ... yeah "generational talent" may be over used but if Young is in the same company as garrett and the Bosas ... ill take that.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

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I agree that the term is overused

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

To me "generational talents" means a once in 20 to 30 years player.

You can't have one every year but the media loves their titles and excessive hyperbole.

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No kidding, my favorite is trying to guess how many 100 year weather events we will have this winter.

[SunnySide]

I didnt watch a lot of college ball this year and when I did watch Ohio State to see Chase Young (the Penn State game) he wasnt jumping off my TV screen.

The last thing I want the Skins to do is spend another high pick on an DL/Edge player bc thats all we do - Murphy, P Smith, Anderson, Sweat plus Payne/Allen as IDL. 5 1st or 2nd R picks in the past 5 drafts, thats 50% of our high drafts go to the front DL which isnt bad but man, what are we going to do.

Resigning Allen (1 yr left plus 5th yr option), Payne (2 yrs plus option), Ioannidis (3 yrs left?) will have to happen in 2-3 years. 2nd over all pick (Chase Young) will probably be 6.5M year 1 cap hit with a 11M 4th year cap hit.

The one position we have invested heavily in and we still need help sacking the QB. This is going to be an expensive unit, if I had to pick where to spend heavily it would be the DL so thats good. Id much rather have a heavily invested DL vs WR or RB or even secondary ...

Im down with taking Chase Young but we need to allocate resources to the other units on this team after him. Need a LT, TE1, FS, coverage/WLB, legit CB2 (not waiting on Moraeu or Moreland or D Johnson = depth talent imo), WLB, G, WR2 ....

Draft Chase Young but then turn your attentions to the other units ... this team is getting unbalanced and our DL has been average to poor this year. 28th in run D and guys are healthy?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

I didnt watch a lot of college ball this year and when I did watch Ohio State to see Chase Young (the Penn State game) he wasnt jumping off my TV screen.

The last thing I want the Skins to do is spend another high pick on an DL/Edge player bc thats all we do - Murphy, P Smith, Anderson, Sweat plus Payne/Allen as IDL. 5 1st or 2nd R picks in the past 5 drafts, thats 50% of our high drafts go to the front DL which isnt bad but man, what are we going to do.

Resigning Allen (1 yr left plus 5th yr option), Payne (2 yrs plus option), Ioannidis (3 yrs left?) will have to happen in 2-3 years. 2nd over all pick (Chase Young) will probably be 6.5M year 1 cap hit with a 11M 4th year cap hit.

The one position we have invested heavily in and we still need help sacking the QB. This is going to be an expensive unit, if I had to pick where to spend heavily it would be the DL so thats good. Id much rather have a heavily invested DL vs WR or RB or even secondary ...

Im down with taking Chase Young but we need to allocate resources to the other units on this team after him. Need a LT, TE1, FS, coverage/WLB, legit CB2 (not waiting on Moraeu or Moreland or D Johnson = depth talent imo), WLB, G, WR2 ....

Draft Chase Young but then turn your attentions to the other units ... this team is getting unbalanced and our DL has been average to poor this year. 28th in run D and guys are healthy?

P. Smith left us and has 12 sacks with one game left to play. Like everyone else said we need a new DC badly, because a front of Ionnadis, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Young, and Anderson should rival one of the best in the league if coached properly.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

P. Smith left us and has 12 sacks with one game left to play. Like everyone else said we need a new DC badly, because a front of Ionnadis, Allen, Payne, Sweat, Young, and Anderson should rival one of the best in the league if coached properly.

Preston is also getting a good bit more snaps with GB. I wouldnt be surprised if it wasnt another games worth (50 snaps or so) if not 2 games worth more.

He had two 8 sack years with us. I liked Preston but I dont think he is worth the 4/52M, good thing is GB is really only on the hook for 2 years w only 16M guaranteed. He was worth it to GB who had that DE cupboard bare and it is working for all parties involved.

he is more valuable to GB then he was to us.

[skinsfaninok]

Smith also has a big time Egde rusher on the other side which he never had here