Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

^ It sounds good, but we haven't seen it as aproven comodity. I am with you in wanting them to succeed, but they haven't proven there ability and i am sure that is why they are/were giving Jackson a look. BUT I am all for one more shot for the 2 youngsters.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by ibleedburgandy

I say leave VJ alone...The Skins don't need him! Just stick with Moss, Kelly and Thomas cause they'll have the ability of putting Cooley and Davis on the field at the same time. Imagine Moss, Cooley on one side with Davis and Thomas/Kelly on the other. Single back Portis/Johnson...no need for lead blocker with the oline zone blocking and spreading the D out. Sounds great...Doesn't it?

Still though, Shanahan likes to use the I Formation.

By the same token I agree on not needing an elite reciever. I would rather do what the Chiefs did in the early part of the previous decade. The formula goes as follows

- Great running game with a line that makes virtually anyone look good
- Veteran Pro Bowl QB
- Elite TE
- Fast deep threat at reciever.

The Chiefs were among the leagues top offenses despite not having an elite receiver, unless you want to count Eddie Kenninson, who ironically has a similar skillset to Santana Moss.

2002: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 3,690 yds/ 26 TD's 13 Int's/ 92.6 Rating

Priest Holmes: 1,615 yds 21 TD's 5.2 average 29 years old

Tony Gonzalez: 773 yds 7 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 906 yds 2 TD's

Offensive Rank: 4th 28.1 PPG


2003: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,039 yds/ 24 TD's 12 Int's/ 92.6 Rating

Priest Holmes: 1,420 yds 27 TD's 4.4 average 30 years old

Tony Gonzalez: 916 yds 10 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 853 yds 5 TD's

Offensive Rank: 2nd 30.3 PPG

2004: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,591 yds/ 27 TD's 17 Int's/ 95.2 Rating

Priest Holmes: 892 yds 14 TD's 4.6 YPC 31 years old
Larry Johnson: 581 yds 9 TD's 4.8 YPC
Derrick Blaylock: 539 yds 8 TD's 4.6 YPC

Tony Gonzalez: 1,258 yds 7 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 1,086 yds 8 TD's

Offensive Rank: 1st 30.2 PPG

2005: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,014 yds/ 17 TD's 10 Int's/ 90.1 Rating

Larry Johnson: 1,750 yds 20 TD's 5.2 YPC
Priest Holmes: 451 yds 6 TD's 3.8 YPC 32 years old

Eddie Kenninson: 1,102 yds 5 TD's
Tony Gonzalez: 905 yds 2 TD's

Offensive Rank: 1st 25.2 PPG


Anway the point of all this is that you don't need an elite reciever to have the leagues best offense. I mean how many Super Bowls have the Pat's won with their God Like corps of receivers?

[SBXVII]

I know what your saying Dirtbag but some teams #1 WR are another teams 2nd, 3rd, or 4th WR. I can tell you our #1 Moss wouldn't be a #1 on many of teams, he'd be a #2 or #3 WR. He's our #1 cause he's the best the Skins have right now. I think many of you would say Moss is by far better then Thomas and Kelly right now.

and... you are correct in saying that teams don't always make it to a SB with their god like WR's. But what we are talking about is weapons. The Skins have one weapon who is often injured (Moss), then Cooley and now Davis. In the right scheme you might be able to mention Portis and the other RB's. What a team/HC I'm sure would like is several god like WR's, 2 god like TE's, 1 or 2 god like RB's, and a god like QB. Since according to many here we have the QB now, the TE's now, and hopefully RB's for a couple of yrs, can we look into possibly WR's with out someone complaining that we should just stay the course with the mediocrity we have had and look for any upgrades at that position which would cause other defenses to have to account for yet another threat?

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Nice read nyc, i wonder how MS felt about our 2 WR two years ago when he drafted eddie royal for Denver? If he didnt feel that these 2 had something for him maybe thats why he isn't really giving him a fair shot now. Of course BA could be the one trying to push for VJ with mike not putting up much of a fight becuase he did like vj coming out college. I dont know time will tell how this goes down.

I don't see BA really trying to overstep Shanny on personnel. I think it'd be more Shanny wanting him and telling Bruce to see what it will take.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by skinsfan_nn

Maybe Smith has decided to keep his distance in order to avoid ever making dispassionate decisions based on anything other than the best football interests of the franchise. Maybe he's trying to avoid being perceived as soft.

Or maybe he's simply a big jerk.

"As of June 15, the Chargers had the right to reduce the offer dramatically -- and so they did."

That's them being bitter and/or cheap. That's one of those things where it's "just because you can... doesn't mean that you should.."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Still though, Shanahan likes to use the I Formation.

By the same token I agree on not needing an elite reciever. I would rather do what the Chiefs did in the early part of the previous decade. The formula goes as follows

- Great running game with a line that makes virtually anyone look good
- Veteran Pro Bowl QB
- Elite TE
- Fast deep threat at reciever.

The Chiefs were among the leagues top offenses despite not having an elite receiver, unless you want to count Eddie Kenninson, who ironically has a similar skillset to Santana Moss.

2002: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 3,690 yds/ 26 TD's 13 Int's/ 92.6 Rating

Priest Holmes: 1,615 yds 21 TD's 5.2 average 29 years old

Tony Gonzalez: 773 yds 7 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 906 yds 2 TD's

Offensive Rank: 4th 28.1 PPG


2003: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,039 yds/ 24 TD's 12 Int's/ 92.6 Rating

Priest Holmes: 1,420 yds 27 TD's 4.4 average 30 years old

Tony Gonzalez: 916 yds 10 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 853 yds 5 TD's

Offensive Rank: 2nd 30.3 PPG

2004: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,591 yds/ 27 TD's 17 Int's/ 95.2 Rating

Priest Holmes: 892 yds 14 TD's 4.6 YPC 31 years old
Larry Johnson: 581 yds 9 TD's 4.8 YPC
Derrick Blaylock: 539 yds 8 TD's 4.6 YPC

Tony Gonzalez: 1,258 yds 7 TD's
Eddie Kenninson: 1,086 yds 8 TD's

Offensive Rank: 1st 30.2 PPG

2005: Kansas City Chiefs Statistics - NFL Football - ESPN
Trent Green: 4,014 yds/ 17 TD's 10 Int's/ 90.1 Rating

Larry Johnson: 1,750 yds 20 TD's 5.2 YPC
Priest Holmes: 451 yds 6 TD's 3.8 YPC 32 years old

Eddie Kenninson: 1,102 yds 5 TD's
Tony Gonzalez: 905 yds 2 TD's

Offensive Rank: 1st 25.2 PPG


Anway the point of all this is that you don't need an elite reciever to have the leagues best offense. I mean how many Super Bowls have the Pat's won with their God Like corps of receivers?

The Chiefs accomplished a lot with...I don't want to say very little, because they had an all-generation offensive line, Trent Green with a hall-of-fame performance through four years (you can adjust for context all you want, and John Elway never comes close to posting a three year span where he was as good as Green was for four years), a legit number one in Eddie Kennison, and Tony Gonzalez in his prime, not to mention Holmes and Johnson. That's not scraps.

But what's unique about the Chiefs is that even though they had all that talent, they relied heavily on journeymen and scrubs to come up with big catches on second and third downs, and those players like Dante Hall, Marc Boerigter, Jason Dunn, Samie Parker, and Chris Horn all had their share of big games on those teams.

We can't get enough (i.e. more than one) big games from second round draft choices, let alone UDFAs.

[NYCskinfan82]

FOX Sports: Vincent Jackson Is Practically A Redskin

Could be true don't know what to think about this I guess I'll just role with whatever the FO thinks.

HTTR.

[tryfuhl]

I'm on board

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

FOX Sports: Vincent Jackson Is Practically A Redskin

Could be true don't know what to think about this I guess I'll just role with whatever the FO thinks.

HTTR.

You should watch the video, it's just Schein's opinion

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I am no longer on board. I want my draft picks. This would leave us with about the same amount of picks we had last year. 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th. Really makes watching the NFL draft pretty lame.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I am no longer on board. I want my draft picks. This would leave us with about the same amount of picks we had last year. 1st, 5th, 6th, 7th. Really makes watching the NFL draft pretty lame.

But what if we can pull off a 2nd and 3rd for Haynesworth??

[NYCskinfan82]

Since where bringing in every other WR what about the WR who was with GB & went to the Raiders but got injured, he's out there why not try him out i can't remember his name.

[NYCskinfan82]

Answered my own ? Javon Walker final answer.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Answered my mine ? Javon Walker final answer.

[NYCskinfan82]

^^ Thankyou, had to edit my post my english is so bad when i try to type fast.