Report: Grossman Starting on Sunday

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know that we have the luxury to trade up for Luck. I don't know what to feel about Newton. I don't think he fits this offense. But I'm telling you for 8 months now the name I constantly hear brought up is Jake Locker. That could all change of course but it really does seem to be the guy targeted by the Skins. I like him but I'm not gung ho on him. I think he may be a bit overrated.

Locker is the low-efficiency player that fits our current offensive style. And if we're picking at 11-14, we might not be able to do better than the guy who best fits our system.

But I'm with you: Ponder 100/100 times over Locker. I think Devlin's pretty good too, but he seems to fit a strictly west coast short-to-long system. I'll be trying to watch him tomorrow to get a better idea on Devlin.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Locker is the low-efficiency player that fits our current offensive style. And if we're picking at 11-14, we might not be able to do better than the guy who best fits our system.

But I'm with you: Ponder 100/100 times over Locker. I think Devlin's pretty good too, but he seems to fit a strictly west coast short-to-long system. I'll be trying to watch him tomorrow to get a better idea on Devlin.

Yeah Devlin's ok, people seem to like Gabbert too. I think that's his name, from Mizzou.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I'd rather trade up somehow for Luck, or take Newton... I do NOT want Locker, I know that much.

Newton is basically Tim Tebow 2.0, albeit Tebow with better throwing mechanics, and no one in position to draft Luck will be stupid enough to let another team trade up to select him. Luck is easily the best QB prospect to come along in the past decade. Weather or not he becomes the best QB in the next decade remains to be seen but as a prospect very few players even come close.

I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility.

Originally Posted by Hog1

In your analysis did you want to include the:
58% Completion Percentage
14 TD
15 INT
77% QB rating
???

To be fair two of those INT's came on end of first half Hail Mary passes.

Originally Posted by saden1

Fck all the other QBs...I want Kellen Moore! I would seriously draft him #1 overall! And if we are talking future QB selection then I'd like to have Aaron Murray for Georgia.

Kellen Moore will be lucky to be a fifth round pick in 2012. It's best to think of him like you would Ken Dorsey, Jason White, Colt Brenan, or Chris Weinke. He's a great college QB but any team that relied on him to be their franchise QB would likely find themselves drafting early and often.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I do understand your reservations about Locker though. I myself have mixed emotions and feel that Mallet would probably be the safer pick. If anything Mallet reminds me a lot of Schuab. Locker on the other hand doesn't really have a comparable NFL counterpart seeing as how I can't think of anyone with a strong arm and amazing straight line speed while lacking in agility..

I don't think the Mallett/Locker thing is about safe/unsafe. I think you know exactly what you are getting in Jake Locker based on what he did in college. For a team whose ultimate aspiration is to some day be .500, well, Locker just proved he can do that. Disaster games and all.

You know what, check this out:

Jay Cutler Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Jake Locker Statistics | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Those are probably the two most similar draft prospects in history. One does appear to be clearly better than the other, but those were very similar supporting casts in very similar environments.

And, you know, Mike Shanahan and such.

[GTripp0012]

But can you imagine if we changed coaches after 2011 and then had a second year Locker coming off a dreadful, mistake-prone rookie season? You couldn't find a coach at the professional level who'd be willing to take on that mess.

Steve Sarkisian in 2012! Because someone has to do it!

[skinsfaninok]

So PTI just said Kyle doesn't get along with McNabb?? Now the truth is starting to come out.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So PTI just said Kyle doesn't get along with McNabb?? Now the truth is starting to come out.

Old news that PTI (I'm guessing it was Tony) has said before. Not that they don't get along, but Kyle has had issue with McNabb's mechanics, namely his footwork, since pre-season.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Old news that PTI (I'm guessing it was Tony) has said before. Not that they don't get along, but Kyle has had issue with McNabb's mechanics, namely his footwork, since pre-season.

Yea and Mike basically said Mike Shanahan should and could be fired LOL

[skinsfaninok]

I'd take Foles over Gabbert

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'd take Foles over Gabbert

I probably would too, if they were both available. I doubt they'll both be available. I think it's more like, once Andrew Luck makes an announcement to stay, one or the other might think (or be advised) "hey, you could be a top ten pick now with a good combine performance." And one may come out.

Luck, Mallett, Newton, Foles, and Gabbert are the first round skill sets who are underclassmen. I think Newton is going to be a competent starter at the next level, but if you're looking for a franchise guy (Mark Sanchez, Jason Campbell, Vince Young, Chad Henne, Carson Palmer, etc), look elsewhere. I'd be willing to hitch my wagon to any of the other four at the right price.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Luck, Mallett, Newton, Foles, and Gabbert are the first round skill sets who are underclassmen.

And for the record, every last one of these guys would look better in 2012 than in 2011. But if any of them (and I think Mallett and Newton will for sure) come out this year, we have to evaluate them in the context of what they've done to that point, not how they would have done if they stayed.

[WilbursHomie]

They keep saying on the news how Shanahan wasn't happy with how McNabb had picked up his offense which is obviously true and I'm sure he could have done better but it just seems to me that Shanahan seems a little to set in his ways as far as scheme's go. I mean if it takes nothing short of a 9 time pro bowler, all decade QB, maybe the greatest passer of all time to fully grasp your system, maybe you need to dumb it down a little so that your every day, run of the mill 6 time pro bowler can figure it out and perform. And I don't care which defense we run, a 4-3, a 3-4, each can be just as effective but why would you choose the one that then needs an entire personnel change. Plenty of teams win super bowls in a 4-3. Just kind of seems like common sense. It would be a lot easier to rebuild an offense with an already strong defense and vice versus. Just a thought.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by WilbursHomie

They keep saying on the news how Shanahan wasn't happy with how McNabb had picked up his offense which is obviously true and I'm sure he could have done better but it just seems to me that Shanahan seems a little to set in his ways as far as scheme's go. I mean if it takes nothing short of a 9 time pro bowler, all decade QB, maybe the greatest passer of all time to fully grasp your system, maybe you need to dumb it down a little so that your every day, run of the mill 6 time pro bowler can figure it out and perform. And I don't care which defense we run, a 4-3, a 3-4, each can be just as effective but why would you choose the one that then needs an entire personnel change. Plenty of teams win super bowls in a 4-3. Just kind of seems like common sense. It would be a lot easier to rebuild an offense with an already strong defense and vice versus. Just a thought.

it does doesn't it

[saden1]

Fck all the other QBs...I want Kellen Moore! I would seriously draft him #1 overall! And if we are talking future QB selection then I'd like to have Aaron Murray for Georgia.

[Big C]

i think gabbert is overrated personally.