Giants at Redskins Post Game Thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nice win ,congratulations to all the Skins and their fans.

True gentleman. Now lets hope you drop one or two more games and we run the table.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mbedner3420

The only thing that worries me is that the cowboys might feel motivated to play the role of spoiler...

Cowboys have identical record and play us again. I think they have something to play for.

[los panda]

used the espn playoff machine and pre-selected winners based on their power rankings.

redskins win the division at 9-7

giants lose to:
falcons
ravens

redskins lose to:
ravens

i can dig that

[punch it in]

I have said all along that when everything the Shannys have done starts translating to wins I will shower them with praise. I finally see a lite at the end of the tunnel. After the Panthers game i was at my all time low with Haz and the Shannys. After the Philly game i thought "hell everybody beats them but we beat em worse". After Dallas i still found doubt creeping in because the odds were eventually we had to beat them on turkey day. But - after last nite Im ready to exhale and rejoice in the fact that Shanny hasnt been wasting my time as a Skins fan for three years. Part of me still wants to say RG-3 has saved everybodys job but after watching the complete and utter confusion of a great defense last nite it is official. My hope was with RG-3 that he would be a perfect marriage to Shannys offense. My God its more than perfect. The oline, the run game with Almo - another perfect fit in his offense. Griff when he gets out of the pocket, or they run the pistol and the option! I have never seen a defense second and third guessing themselves to the point where they are frozen like last nite. Even Haz i am having second thoughts about being gone. His track record is crap but for continuity sake lets keep the guy and get him a secondary and Rak and Carriker back and see what happens. I think the guy is finally adjusting and realizes there is nowhere left to go but up. Secondary and RT in free agency and the draft. Davis, BW, Rak and Carriker back. A sprinkle of depth. Youth everywhere you look. My God the future is bright. Thank you Shanny for showing me you actually were building something!
HTTR!

[SBXVII]

Ok so I go to a Giants message board cause I wanted to see what they were saying after last nights loss. lol. It was all typical threads from fans who are passionate about their team losing.lol. but this one had me signing up to be a member to say something only to find out I can't right away. lol.

How much slobbering can we take?

I know RGIII can play but how much friggin' obsession can we take? The kid put up a whopping 17 points at home and beat a team that had a million penalties by one point.
He was the beneficiary of a great running game and he fumbled in the red zone and was lucky enough to have it caught in the air by a teammate and taken in for a score. He threw for an all time record of 163 yards. He was responsible for 245 yards total. Eli was responsible for 285 yards.
Yes, he's seems like a great talent but this was far from a dominating performance. The same nonsense happened with Mike Vick until the reality of the NFL struck an undersized running QB.

So lets all just calm down ESPN, NFLN or whoever wants to anoint this kid to superstar status. Lets see if the kid can survive with this playing style, and do more than lead a .500 team.

Ultimately you have to be able to throw the ball if you want to be a winner. Its a passing league. He's very athletic but he's not making those tough throws into tight windows and I doubt that will ever be true with him.
I like the kid. I like his attitude for the most part. But we've seen what happens to these types of QB's when they aren't pure passers.
They end up getting killed.

Then a reasonable Giants fan:

17 points for a SB was good enough for MVP around here.
the rookie led a 4th qtr comeback against the SB champs on prime time MNF.
over-hyped my ***........what about this ignorant "elite" **** we've heard from the media for ages now....
hell we have 150 page threads about that crap.

let 'em give the devil his due.
had Eli managed more than 3 points the second half , we would have been
hearing all the media junk about Eli and the Giants showing up when when
their back is against the wall or when it really matters....blah blah blah.

well last night RGIII came back in the 4th qtr and won the game.....and all the tie-breakers.

here are their numbers ; just in case anyone cares.

-----------------------ELI-------------------RGIII
TD passes.........16.....................17
INT's thrown........11.....................4
passing yards.....3170.................2677...(with 61 less passes thrown than Eli)
rushing yards........25....................714...(by the way...thats only 120 less than Ahmad Bradshaw)
total yards...........3195................3391
QB rating.............85.3.................104.4
pass comp. %......60.7%.............67.2%
yds per pass .......7.4...................8.2
dropped passes.....28..................28.

i know , you're gonna say stats don't matter......its the intangibles....
RGIII has stats and intangibles.

nobody *****es when the talking heads drool over ELI ,
so who cares ,the kid deserves the hype just as much as anybody else does.

or are we gonna go with the "refs and penalties" or the "we beat ourself" bullspit.

What I would have written on their board is the rest of the NFCE has had to listen and deal with the slobber jocking over Eli for the last decade and his family. (vomit). Now that he is an old toy close to the end of his playing time he's not getting as much attention. (too bad). However during the first game between the two teams all I saw was commercials with Eli in them, interviews with Eli in them, the announcers talking about how Eli is doing this year, how Payton is doing this year, how Archie was the best thing since sliced bread throughout the whole game.

So now that they are forced to hear someone other then their beloved Eli they get upset. They get pissed. Welcome to the waking up and smelling the coffie and getting a heavy handed dose of your own medicine.

I also would have said: RG3 might not be all that great (as I saw Eli back in the day after he was drafted) to them but his numbers show differently. Luck is not getting all the attention around here cause he's not in the NFCE. Luck has 16 INT's for the season and RG3 only has 4. Yeah Luck has his team 8-5 (or whatever) but his division I think is much easier then the teams the NFCE had to play. Plus Luck does not have as many starters IRed on his team as RG3 and the Skins do.

[SFREDSKIN]

Even Jerry Jones was rooting for the Redskins:

The Redskins Blog | Jerry Jones Plays Redskins Fan Last Night

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.

Yeah seems like most in the media are living in September or something. He hasn't run nearly as much as he did in the first part of the season, and he's been getting down or out of bounds a lot more since the concussion.

Seems that lately his biggest hits are coming in the pocket. A big part of that is because he's just fearless and will stand in there until the very last second.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.

Personally I felt him sitting in the pocket getting hit was more dangerous because he's a statue back there looking down field. If he runs I feel he has the opportunity to lesson the hit by only allowing the defender to get part of him or because he gets hit the same direction as he's running which although looks bad prbably is not as bad as it looks cause it's either not a clean solid hit or there is less impact.

ie; a car colliding with another car head on is extremely bad. A car getting T-boned is bad. A car sitting not moving getting hit by another car/truck is bad. But a car already moving forward getting hit from behind causes less damage because the energy is transfered to the car struck.

bad example I guess. but I worry about RG3's head bouncing off the turf more so then him getting hit. Standing in the pocket looking down field worries me just as much because of the force of the impact. I think if RG3 is moving the energy of the impact from player to player is less, unless he runs head on into a defender.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Know what else is driving me nuts? All this talk about his "playing style" and how it's going to hurt his longevity in the league. I mean other QBs get hit a ton more than he does. Sure, he takes SOME unnecessary shots when he runs, but he's been REALLY smart about it lately.

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by The Goat

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.

Not a very good argument since we are discussing a mobile QB, and one that holds the ball on a lot of occasions to long to prevent a turnover or throwing a INT

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by The Goat

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Take a look there sonny. Just six teams have allowed more hits on their QB, and believe four of those QBs are done for the season or been out for multiple games. One thing striking is those teams have serious injury along the oline, whereas we've been remarkably healthy among that group.

Anyway, yep you're right six teams give up more hits and it certainly seems to take it's toll.

I'm more than a little irritated at the stupidity among fans saying the hits don't matter. It's one thing for the 23 yr old goofball on here because he's just a kiddo, but anyone in their 30s, 40s, 50s and upward have seen far too many fantastic QBs sent to early retirement for the beating they took behind a crap oline and/or poor scheme.

Let's not play the fool here...if we want RG3 as a franchise QB the pass protection must improve dramatically.

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

Herculean post bro

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

You completely ignore the fact that Griffin isnt built as stoutly as a guy like Luck or most of the other mobile starting QBs in the league. He's very lanky and built more like a wide receiver than a quarterback. He doesnt have the build to take as many hits over as long of a period of time.

Earlier in the season, Griffin commented that he's incredibly sore after most games, but he's tough and takes good care of his body so he can recover. His body wont continue to recover so quickly indefinitely. Anyone who thinks Griffin can continue to play exactly like he's playing now and continue taking the kind of hits he's taking for the next 5-10 years is foolish. Hopefully, we'll have a better pass-blocking offensive line and RGIII will become more adept at avoiding the big hits in subsequent seasons.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This will be my only post about this, but basically we're within (most) of the rest of the league, give or take 10 hits. If 10 hits is what determines the longevity of a QB, then strong post to you sir.

I refuse to believe that his "style of play" is what's going to suddenly have him crumbling into a puddle of injury-prone mediocrity. This is also assuming the other guys in the league AREN'T running QBs. If you look at those stats, Luck is going to be out of the league in a year! TOO MANY HITS!!!!!!!! OMGZZ!1!11!

That's the thing, I don't really see RG3's style as the problem i.e. most of the big hits are coming when he drops back into the pocket. Like Matty and others have said he can help himself by getting rid of the ball quicker, but then I think we probably see fewer completions and more turnovers. I think it really comes down to protection, that's what I'm saying.

Take Big Ben for example. He's had lousy protection through most of his career and everyone pointed to his toughness (and it doesn't hurt that he's a huge dude), but now the injuries are lasting longer and he's not playing at the same level. Does this make sense?

The think the concern for RG3, which is pretty much unanimous outside this board btw, is legit.