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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

by appraise I don't mean money, I mean praise; like; thanks;applause. Should have used a better word.

Noone thought money ,you blamed RG for all the problems in the NFL.

[Giantone]

He is also not the head of the committee....

http://www.nflevolution.com/wordpres...ts-2-14-12.pdf

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Noone thought money ,you blamed RG for all the problems in the NFL.

oh oh, yes. I compared him to the president in a sense that the president takes all the blame even though his party, the senate and citizens in the US who voted for him should also take blame, but we are in society where you have to blame one person. Roger, is that ''president'' of the NFL. With his job, you are essentially going to be taking all the blame is what I'm getting at.

I'm about wiped out right now talking about Goodell. Its clearly the offseason if we're talking this much about a guy who doesn't play football.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I agree with about 75% of this. The only things/questions I want to point out is while RG has ''helped'' the league in terms of making money, he is also receiving numerous complaints from his fans and his players. I don't recall this being so large when Tagliabue was Commissioner

I would argue that players/fans have more means of communication than they did back Tagliabue's tenure as commissioner, so the complaints are more "visible". Still, if there were truly more complaints and the game was being "ruined" by Goodell (and the OWNERS), then this dissatisfaction would be seen in a drop in profits or TV ratings.

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Why does NFLN, ESPN, SI, CBSSports, FoxSports, Profootballtalk, Bleacher, and so on always point the blame at Goodell as opposed to "the owners"? Thats where the few people here on this site who are cool with RG should start blaming these numerous sport news outlets. ESPN hiring former players saying "Roger Goodell needs to..." "Roger Goodell is making the NFL into a joke" and so on. Thats whats giving the majority of us the idea that he is to blame.

It is easier for the sports outlets to blame a single person, rather than a group of people. The way the news media focus on the President during tumultuous/prosperous times, rather than Congress for example.

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

But also ask yourselves this, is it really the owners to blame or are our sport outlets all wrong? I'll give you all a hint, theres a reason why those people are paid to voice their opinions/beliefs, along with constantly referring to Goodell over the committee or the owners, and no it isn't to save a few less words when speaking or typing.

The sports outlets are going to focus on the commissioner because he is an easy target. Also, the masses tend to have this infatuation with the owners and always seem to side with them knowingly or unknowingly. Example: when a player wants more money and wants a contract, the masses say "he is greedy, wants more money, he should shut up and play"; when a team (OWNER) cuts a player, the masses say: "that's a business minded decision".

Also, as I've said before, the decisions are made when a majority of the owners agree or disagree to something. I believe a lot of these decisions are made behind close doors, so it is easier to put the focus on the messenger.

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Also if Goodell really isn't at fault, and its "all the owners faults" (not your post but Giantones), then A) Why do we even have Goodell? B) Why don't we just have all the owners vote on an owner to be president of the NFL so that we can say "its all the owners faults and not that puppet for the owners Goodell"? C) If Goodell really is the voice of the owners, then that job doesn't deserve $30,000,000/year.

I don't know much about business, but I imagine that NFL works in a similar way that a company has a board of trustees or stockholders; and has a CEO or COO to run things. And as I pointed out, a lot of these people get paid more than 30 mil a year.

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I think RG also has some control on this site because it went down again, coincidentally when we were talking about him; Oh wait its the owners fault.

Well, unlike Goodell, Matty IS a dictator. And if people don't hear from me ever again, now you know why. :FIREdevil

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

We as fans and consumers of his product can say he's doing a terrible job. I think most of the fans don't think much of him and we already know what the players think.

That's cute. You actually think the NFL cares what it's consumers think. You know why they don't care? Because they know you'll continue to feed them buckets full of cash no matter how much you state you don't like them.

If consumers would treat the NFL like any other business, they would listen to its fans but they have no incentive to listen while they are still paying top dollar. Let's be honest, if the Washington Redskins were a favorite restaurant of ours, we all would have stopped eating there years ago due to the shitty service, product and atmosphere they offered. Fans need to start treating football just like the NFL does. A business.

Until that time, nothing is going to change. If you don't like the direction that RG is leading the NFL, stop buying tickets, gear, and other related stuff. Probably never going to happen because even after all we've been through, season ticket holders still lined up in droves to hand over their cash to a owner who simply ran the team into the ground. (see Oakland/Jacksonville/Browns/Cowboys/Bills/etc)

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I would argue that players/fans have more means of communication than they did back Tagliabue's tenure as commissioner, so the complaints are more "visible". Still, if there were truly more complaints and the game was being "ruined" by Goodell (and the OWNERS), then this dissatisfaction would be seen in a drop in profits or TV ratings.



It is easier for the sports outlets to blame a single person, rather than a group of people. The way the news media focus on the President during tumultuous/prosperous times, rather than Congress for example.



The sports outlets are going to focus on the commissioner because he is an easy target. Also, the masses tend to have this infatuation with the owners and always seem to side with them knowingly or unknowingly. Example: when a player wants more money and wants a contract, the masses say "he is greedy, wants more money, he should shut up and play"; when a team (OWNER) cuts a player, the masses say: "that's a business minded decision".

Also, as I've said before, the decisions are made when a majority of the owners agree or disagree to something. I believe a lot of these decisions are made behind close doors, so it is easier to put the focus on the messenger.



I don't know much about business, but I imagine that NFL works in a similar way that a company has a board of trustees or stockholders; and has a CEO or COO to run things. And as I pointed out, a lot of these people get paid more than 30 mil a year.



Well, unlike Goodell, Matty IS a dictator. And if people don't hear from me ever again, now you know why.

Respectable answer. All I'll say in closing, is that whether you like him or not, these fines are ridiculous, and the ridiculous fines have been occuring when Goodell has been in power. Someone said its Ray Anderson, well whether it is all Ray or not at all Ray or partially ray, they need to less ridiculous and consistent!

Hopefully your joking about the Matty thing, because someone called Smootsmack an SS officer, which didn't go over well.

[NC_Skins]

Think about this for a second, if Roger Goodell made 30 million last year, what do you think the owners made?....lol I can assure you it was much greater than 30 million. The owners love RG because he's doing exactly what they want him to. Make the NFL a huge cash cow that will deliver them hand over fist in money. With over 9 billion in revenue a year, he's doing exactly that.

If you want to bitch about the taking the "safety" concern too far, it's being done so due to monetary reasons as well. If they don't start penalizing and fining players, they'll be held liable in future lawsuits showing they knew about the consequences of concussions but did nothing to stop them. It's not about "player safety", if they really cared about safety, they would have never tried bringing in a 18 game season.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Respectable answer. All I'll say in closing, is that whether you like him or not, these fines are ridiculous, and the ridiculous fines have been occuring when Goodell has been in power. Someone said its Ray Anderson, well whether it is all Ray or not at all Ray or partially ray, they need to less ridiculous and consistent!

Hopefully your joking about the Matty thing, because someone called Smootsmack an SS officer, which didn't go over well.

Ironically, the fines you are complaining about fund the very things that you said RG's salary should go towards.

NFL Charities - Fundraising - Fine Money

And of course I am joking, Matty is a benevolent leader who reminded me of this by sending a shock of electricity through my laptop after my last comment.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Ironically, the fines you are complaining about fund the very things that you said RG's salary should go towards.

NFL Charities - Fundraising - Fine Money

And of course I am joking, Matty is a benevolent leader who reminded me of this by sending a shock of electricity through my laptop after my last comment.

Interesting, I thought the fines went towards a charity of the player/coaches choice. (Which also made me want to ask, what if Ray Lewis got fined, could he have his fine money go towards his own charity?)

I'll also say that as much as I despise/hate Goodell, he isn't the worst commissioner. That honor goes to David Stern. And all I need is one example to show why:

Spurs Fined $250,000: David Stern Says Team Did 'Disservice To The League And Our Fans'

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

I'll also say that as much as I despise/hate Goodell, he isn't the worst commissioner. That honor goes to David Stern. And all I need is one example to show why:

Spurs Fined $250,000: David Stern Says Team Did 'Disservice To The League And Our Fans'

Not sure why you pointed out this instance because he was actually right for doing this. It's very very rare when Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern, but even he agreed with it. Simply said that the TV deals are their cash cows and you cannot pull star players on games when their game is being televised nationally. He didn't have a problem with them resting, just not on a night when it was televised.

Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern's fine - SBNation.com

The main reason why Cuban agreed is because television revenue is the NBA's biggest customer, so keeping them happy is in the best interest of the league.

"That is the driver for all things financial in sports. Period, end of story. We are not 10 years ago where TV is just another source of income. That is the money train. Period, end of story, no questions asked."

Even while backing the league, Cuban never denied the Mavericks wouldn't do the same thing as San Antonio did (and has done in the past). Even joking the NBA would fine him ten times more than the $250,000 it fined the Spurs.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure why you pointed out this instance because he was actually right for doing this. It's very very rare when Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern, but even he agreed with it. Simply said that the TV deals are their cash cows and you cannot pull star players on games when their game is being televised nationally. He didn't have a problem with them resting, just not on a night when it was televised.

Mark Cuban agrees with David Stern's fine - SBNation.com

Mark Cuban hates the Spurs, they have knocked them out of the playoffs a couple of times so anytime anything negative comes out against the Spurs, I am sure Cuban loves it no matter what, also the Spurs did not do anything wrong, they just rested their players after a tedious road trip (which is within the rules).

If you have a problem with the Spurs, then you cannot have a problem with the Salary Cap penalties that the Redskins took. The spurs did nothing against the rules (just like some would say the Skins or the Cowboys did nothing wrong), the "NBA" just did not like it. Goodell fined those times because it was not fair to the other teams in the NFL, hence being in the best interest for the NFL. If you have a problem with one, you cannot have a problem with the other. Just like when Stern denied a trade with the hornets and lakers, the trade was accepted by both teams but the trade was declined because it was not in the best interest of the NBA.

Stern is the worst commissioner, but Goodell is catching up. I like commissioners that do not make that much noise. You do not need to put your fingerprints on something that is already increasing in value every single year. With or without Goodell, the NFL would flourish. This is why I do not care much for Goodell. However, their main job is to make sure the games continue playing, and both of these men have failed at some point with that (both had lockouts). But Stern is the worst of the two, from fixed drafts to some extremely questionable refereeing in the NBA that seem to always benefit the bigger markets. But this is an NBA topic, not an NFL one.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

No, No, NO. Nowhere do I say that. I don't understand even where you get that implication. If you read through my post, you would have seen that I said that even though there are already retirement funds and the whole play 60 thing to help kids now learn how to play and hit properly, I'm saying more money can go into those programs, as an example. There are probably more places that salary of his could go.

Here is the problem. You are saying it as if Goodells salary is stopping the funding of those things (or stopping additional funding). The funds are in the NFL now to do those things. You dont need to cut Goodells salary for any of those.

As I explained in the last post, there are trillions of places that extra money COULD go. That doesnt mean that if its stripped from Goodell, thats where it WILL go. Stripping Goodell of money means none of that. You are tying the two together for some reason. Well, if you are tying Goodells salary to those causes, then the underfunding is a direct result of Goodells salary. I have no other way of reading that. If you honestly dont believe Goodells salary and those causes go hand in hand, then stop tying them together.

[53Fan]

I'm having a hard time understanding how everything RG does wrong or lets say is not popular is the owners fault because they run the league yet RG gets credit for increased revenue between 2006 when Taglibue was commish and 2012....6 years later with RG as commish. Wasn't that expected no matter who the commish was? Did anyone in 2006 expect the most popular sport in America with an extremely strong following expect the league to make less money 6 years later? Given the product you'd have to be pretty inept for that to happen. As NC Skins just stated...people keep coming back basically no matter what. I mean shit...given that clientele any company could increase profits.

[CultBrennan59]

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