New Defensive Coordinator 2015

[diehardskin2982]

I want to see the DC picked soon but not before we see how the SF HC thing plays out. Vic Fangio may become available. My current top 6 are:

1. Schwartz
2. Fangio
3. LeBeau
4. Phillips
5. Pepper Johnson
6. Norton Jr.

[mredskins]

Has Bruce Allen become the new Obama? I swear some of you must spill your milk in the morning and blame BA.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Has Bruce Allen become the new Obama? I swear some of you must spill your milk in the morning and blame BA.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Has Bruce Allen become the new Obama? I swear some of you must spill your milk in the morning and blame BA.

well you are happy with Bruce at the helm? Id say he is below average...kinda like our president...

I dont want 4 more years and i want to vote him out of office. Too bad Skins country is a dictorship run by lil danny boy

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well you are happy with Bruce at the helm? Id saw below average...kinda like our president...

I dont want 4 more years and i want to vote him out of office. Too bad Skins country is a dictorship run by lil danny boy

We all make 50,000 foot decisions on here. None of us are in the weeds like the folks at Redskins park.

I think BA is good with the $$$ and he seems focused on that now. McLovin is doing the scouting now AND if I had to bet the majority of BA's tenure here it was Mike S doing the personal work. I say from $$$ stand we are looking pretty good, have not seen a AH like signing in a long time.

If you ask me we got the right people in the right spots now. None of this is an exact science. It takes everyone so to blame one person is retarded, even McLovin touched on that in his presser.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by mredskins

We all make 50,000 foot decisions on here. None of us are in the weeds like the folks at Redskins park.

I think BA is good with the $$$ and he seems focused on that now. McLovin is doing the scouting now AND if I had to bet the majority of BA's tenure here it was Mike S doing the personal work. I say from $$$ stand we are looking pretty good, have not seen a AH like signing in a long time.

If you ask me we got the right people in the right spots now. None of this is an exact science. It takes everyone so to blame one person is retarded, even McLovin touched on that in his presser.

You do know that Bruce and Danny are closer butt-buddies than Dan and Vinnie ever were, right? You do know that when Danny and the other owners interfere, they use Bruce as their willing instrument, right?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You do know that Bruce and Danny are closer butt-buddies than Dan and Vinnie ever were, right? You do know that when Danny and the other owners interfere, they use Bruce as their willing instrument, right?

Sure I guess. I just don't care as much as you.

[MTK]

It's kinda laughable to me to think Allen is the source of our woes but whatevs.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's kinda laughable to me to think Allen is the source of our woes but whatevs.

Wait, are you saying that our team president has nothing to do with our on-field performance? If so, we should fire him because he is offering nothing positive.

We pay him to have a strong, positive effect on team performance. Our record is 28-52 while he has collected that paycheck.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Wait, are you saying that our team president has nothing to do with our on-field performance? If so, we should fire him because he is offering nothing positive.

We pay him to have a strong, positive effect on team performance. Our record is 28-52 while he has collected that paycheck.

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

Matty, I've said it before, I'll say it again, that is not how I view Allen.

Of course ownership is a problem. That's why we need a team president who will do a better job of mollifying ownership while protecting the football people. Instead, Allen is Snyder's face, his interpersonal lackey, the guy who allows ownership to meddle without having the outward appearance of meddling. Allen completely fails to provide the buffer space the true professionals need to be successful.

I think that we should hold the architect of the RGIII trade accountable. Go figure.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Matty, I've said it before, I'll say it again, that is not how I view Allen.

Of course ownership is a problem. That's why we need a team president who will do a better job of mollifying ownership while protecting the football people. Instead, Allen is Snyder's face, his interpersonal lackey, the guy who allows ownership to meddle without having the outward appearance of meddling. Allen completely fails to provide the buffer space the true professionals need to be successful.

I think that we should hold the architect of the RGIII trade accountable. Go figure.

So what does getting rid of Allen accomplish as long as Snyder is still here?? You really think hiring someone to stonewall Snyder is going to work??

Didn't you say it was a pipe dream to think Allen was going to give up control over personnel? Sounded like you were insinuating his reluctance to give up control. Seemed to happen quite easily if you ask me.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Right, because as we know he's always called all the shots in his time here. Shanny had no input.

If you want a scapegoat look a little higher on the food chain. Snyder is the one common denominator for all of our fantastic success.

Despite you wanting to paint him as some power hungry egomaniac, he went and gave the fans what they wanted, a real GM. What an asshole.

Well, wasn't Snyder a power-hungry asshole, despite the fanbase being told otherwise, from 1999 till 2004? And even then...

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

2008-2009, Snyder gave control to his good friend below, right?

Thanks Snyder!

I dunno what to believe about Snyder vs. Shanahan. But Shanahan didn't have that kind of trouble in Denver, right? Was the situation in Oakland Shanny's fault or Al Davis (who had trouble with other coaches)? OTOH, we have had continuous drama with the Snyder Skins except Gibbs 2.0.

It seems like a mixed bag to me, but isn't it logical to assume Snyder is still a power hungry asshole until proven otherwise?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Well, wasn't Snyder a power-hungry asshole, despite the fanbase being told otherwise, from 1999 till 2004? And even then...

Joe Gibbs was a master at this. You could see it during his four seasons, how he massaged Snyder and Vinny Cerrato’s egos during news conferences, etc. Made them feel like they were giving invaluable input all the time. Gibbs also knew when to let Snyder “win;” in other words, he knew when to pick his battles. Gibbs also knew Snyder idolized him. Who didn't?
As one person from that staff once said, “That way, when it came time to pick his fights with Dan, he’d get what he wanted. He managed Dan well.”

2008-2009, Snyder gave control to his good friend below, right?

Thanks Snyder!

I dunno what to believe about Snyder vs. Shanahan. But Shanahan didn't have that kind of trouble in Denver, right? Was the situation in Oakland Shanny's fault or Al Davis (who had trouble with other coaches)? OTOH, we have had continuous drama with the Snyder Skins except Gibbs 2.0.

It seems like a mixed bag to me, but isn't it logical to assume Snyder is still a power hungry asshole until proven otherwise?

That bit about Gibbs is important.

People are creating a false either/or between giving Snyder total power or no power.

As Gibbs shows us, the important thing is actually to find a workable middle ground.

Gibbs found the middle ground. Other good teams find the middle ground.

As we have seen with bad trades, controversies about starting QB's, and many other things, Bruce Allen does not find the middle ground.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think it was Ruhskins but someone said we are getting the right people in the right places. I look at Snyder's ownership like a guy playing chess by mail. You make a move, then you have to wait to see what the result of that move is. He has made many wrong moves, and very few right ones, but the fact is, each move takes time to shake out.

Blaming BA because he was out of his depth as a talent evaluator ignores the fact that he came in and set the team on the right path regarding player contracts. Even Shanahan had certain aspects that were good in terms of the long term goal of getting Snyder to understand what his place is and isn't in the scheme of a successful Redskins organization. We, at last, APPEAR, to have an appropriate NFL FO structure.

Personally I think we were moving the right way under Gibbs 2, only to have ST's death set gains on many levels back. It took away JG, it brought Snyder's heart for the players and the team back into the mix, and it somehow brought VC into a more prominent position. We are now beyond that though, and after many many years, I think we are on the brink of the Redskins Rising.

Of course it could all be just another win in the offseason.