(updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

If we were to land the 12th spot, what would we be comfortable giving up and who would we(you) take at 12th overall?

Well considering the flavor the week is Offensive Line the guys the team would be looking at is Chris Williams (T/G Vanderbilt) who Joe Bugel is really high on, and Branden Albert (thats right SkinsFanSince91, jk but that is who they'd probably target at the 12th spot should they move up).

The price is probably a 1st and a 2nd, but with that said it would be harder to fill other needs down the line. Personally I would really prefer a trade down, but at the same time I wouldn't complain if we got a versitle OL prospect that could really prevent a drop in LT play should Samuals ever go down (knock on wood to ward off evil spirits) while at the same time provide a viable starting option at LG or RG.

Jeff Otah (T Pitt) is also a possiblity, as he seems to have the size to play Guard but I haven't heard anything about his potential to move inside.

Also Malcolm Kelly's stock just dropped BIGGGGGG TIME today. It's possible that he could be available when we pick in the 2nd round. I'd label the odds at 45% for now.

Oklahoma (April 9)

Twenty-five NFL teams sent representatives to Norman, Okla., to see four key players in a follow-up to last month's school pro day. Prospects worked out indoors on Field Turf. And as an added quirk to the event, the person throwing passes in the position drills was a former quarterback from arch-rival Nebraska -- Heisman Trophy winner Eric Crouch. Bengals WR coach Mike Sheppard ran the receiving drills and Bengals assistant DB coach Louis Cioffi ran the DB drills for Smith and Walker......

» TE Joe Jon Finley (6-6 3/8, 252: Ran the 40 in 4.85 and 4.86, had a 31 ½-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.16 short shuttle, 7.11 cone drill, ran position drills and kept everything else from the combine.

» WR Malcolm Kelly (6-3 7/8, 227): Ran the 40 in 4.75 and 4.68, had a 32-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.24 short shuttle, 7.00 cone drill, and ran position drills. Kelly looked very good.

» DB Reggie Smith (6-0 1/8, 192): Ran the 40 in 4.65 and 4.61, had a 39 ½-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.03 short shuttle, 6.70 cone drill, ran position drills.

» CB Marcus Walker (5-10 3/8, 194): Ran the 40 in 4.65 and 4.62, had a 37-inch vertical jump, 10-foot, 1-inch long jump, 4.10 short shuttle, 6.90 cone drill, ran position drills.

[SmootSmack]

Possibly Ryan Clady as well at 12.

I'd rather trade down though. I know I've spoken a lot about Atlanta, but another one would be trading down with Jacksonville (although we're actually going after many of the same players supposedly) and picking up their #26 overall pick as well as their high 3rd.

So let's say we did that and went something along the lines of

1. DE Merling (if the Jags haven't taken him at #21)
2. WR (best available)
3. OL McGlynn/Hill
3. OL Scheuning
3. DT Harrison
5. DB Bowman

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

1. Devin Thomas
2. Calaias Campbell

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

2. QB Brian Brohm, Louisville -- Scouts complained that Brohm avoided some of the tougher throws they wanted see during his uninspiring on-campus workout last month. Some teams love his consistency and think he can thrive with the proper supporting cast in the NFL, while others simply think Brohm is too limited physically.
Draft projection: Likely to come off the board early in Round 2. Brohm is competing with Chad Henne (Michigan) and Joe Flacco (Delaware) to be second quarterback selected behind Matt Ryan (Boston College).

Are their really Scouts on an NFL team payroll so old and crusty to think that Brian Brohm is too limited physically? Chad 'freaking Pennington is about as physically limited as QBs come, and he's a career 88.9 rated Passer.

Brohm plays a position where physical limitations (save, perhaps height in order to see the field) are a complete myth.

My gut says McShay is BSing here, but if he's not, some team better start cleaning house on it's scouting staff, because they ain't drafting the right guys this season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

1. Devin Thomas
2. Calaias Campbell

Thomas is overrated garbage. 1 year JUCO, <100yds receiving his Sophomore year, breaks out as a junior with 79 catches, and bolts before people realize his season was a fluke. Stay far, far, far away from Thomas.

Of course Quake, if we could land Campbell with the 51st pick...this could still be a solid draft even if the first round pick was a bust

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

» WR Malcolm Kelly (6-3 7/8, 227): Ran the 40 in 4.75 and 4.68, had a 32-inch vertical jump, 9-foot, 9-inch long jump, 4.24 short shuttle, 7.00 cone drill, and ran position drills. Kelly looked very good.

with people running 4.3's jumping 40 inches, long jumping 11 feet+ and hitting 4.0 shuttle and 6.6 in 3cone, that's an absolutely terrible pro day right there. that REALLY would change his place on my draft board, and it wouldn't be for "looking good".

[Dirtbag59]

1-21 - Trade with Falcons for 2-6 and 3-3 to prevent Dolphins from grabing the top QB prospect at top of the 2nd round. Most likely Chad Henne or Brian Brohm. This could just as easily be a trade with the other Indian team in Kansas City. Ironically that would lead us with an earlier 2nd pick but a slightly later 3rd. Basically whoever loses out on Ryan will possibly try to move up into the 1st round to make sure the Dolphins or the Packers don't select the QB they want. The Ravens are also a possiblity at this point.

2-6 - Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma - The team covets Kelly, and due to his drop in stock they have a hard time passing a guy like Kelly falling this far in the draft

2-20 - Dre Moore - DT - Maryland - Blache gets his DT complete with his ability to collapse the pocket and get into the backfield

3-3 - Duane Brown - T/G - Virginia Tech - Per NFL.com "The only thing that worries scouts about Brown is his learning ability, which could be an issue at the pro level. A coach that will both light his fire but bring him along slowly while revamping his technique might find gold with Brown." If that doesn't say Joe Bugel I don't know what does. This pick could also be a corner like Charles Godfrey out of Iowa if Brown is gone

3-21 - Owen Schmitt - FB/RB - West Virginia - The best player available and if the team ends up trading Betts then this would be an excellent pick.

3-33 - Zach Bowman - CB - Nebraska - The front office gets a potential first round talent that might be able to hold down the fort until either he develops or the Redskins can find a better prospect next year. They could also take a chance with a less known guy like Dwight Lowery.

5-21 - Wallace Gilbert - DE - Alabama - Team finds a potentail replacement for Phillip Daniels at LDE

Thats all for today

[LandrySlice]

#21- TALIB

I LIKE HIM AND A HEALTHY ROGERS/SMOOT for the future with WEAPON X LANDRY holding it down!

[mauiRedskinbarn]

1st- Branden Albert OG Virginia
2nd- Malcom Kelly, or Jordy Nelson WR
3rd- Reggie Smith CB/S Oklahoma
3rd- Marcus Howard DE/OLB Georgia or Calais Cambell if he falls this far
5th- Adrien Arrington WR Mich
6th- Colt Brennen QB Hawaii
7th- Corey Lynch S Ap. St
7th- Alvin Bowan
7th-another D-lineman

[Skinny Tee]

ProFootballTalk.com - GROVES HAD HEART SURGERY

Some peopel have us selecting DE, Groves out of Auburn in the draft. I think this bit of news hurts his draft stock.

They say this surgury shouldn't affect him but I still wouldn't take that chance in the first round.

[Dirtbag59]

I think that if the Redskins trade back into the draft then a guy they'll look at in the early third will be Kendall Langford, which would give Blache that relentless interior pass rusher that he wants, while Duane Brown would give Bugel the type of lineman with enough upside to make him crazy. For example we could easily see a draft that looks like

Early 2nd - Malcolm Kelly - WR - Oklahoma
2-20 - Duane Brown - T/G - Virginia Tech
Early 3rd - Kendall Langford - DT/DE - Hampton
3-21 - Dwight Lowery - CB - San Jose State
3 comp - Owen Schmitt - FB - West Virginia
Early 5th - Corey Lynch - S - App State
5-21 - Chad Rhinehart - G/T - Northern Iowa
6-20 - Dennis Dixon - QB - Oregon
7-21 - Alvin Bowen - OLB - Iowa State

The same thing could happen at 21, though instead the team would wait until the 5th round to select a corner or they'll add a stop gap some time after the draft.

Also I think this might have been posted elsewhere, but I don't think it hurts to post it again.

Cardinal rules

Brohm likely to be No. 2 QB taken in draft; more mail

Posted: Tuesday April 8, 2008 12:39PM; Updated: Thursday April 10, 2008 11:47AM


Louisville's Brian Brohm had a career-high 12 interceptions in 2007, but balanced it with a personal-best 30 touchdown passes.
Gary Bogdon/SI


MAILBAG
Peter King will answer your questions each week in Monday Morning Quarterback: Tuesday Edition.
With the draft 18 days away, the two questions I'm hearing everywhere are these: Who will be the second QB taken and how high will he go?
Answer: Louisville's Brian Brohm, and I think a team will have to be selecting in the 20s to get him.

There are actually three QB candidates to be chosen after likely top-five pick Matt Ryan of Boston College. Brohm is the clear favorite, followed by Michigan's Chad Henne (he has an NFL-type release right now) and Delaware's Joe Flacco (who has the biggest Howitzer in the draft). Now, the reason Brohm is inching up the charts from his high-second-round status of the postseason is because more and more teams -- like quarterback-needy Atlanta and Baltimore -- have been going to school on Brohm. They realize they were a little hasty in knocking him down from his top-five-in-the-draft level of 2007.

A year ago Brohm chose to stay in school for his senior season instead of coming out and getting picked high in the first round. And all anyone saw on Brohm's 2007 résumé were flaws. Product of the system. Robotic. Not nimble in the pocket. Still, under new coach Steve Kragthorpe, Brohm had his best all-around season, completing 65.1 percent of his passes and throwing for 30 touchdowns while the Louisville defense and running game struggled mightily. As one GM said to me at the NFL meetings last week in Florida, "I think we picked him apart too much last year." I agree. How can a guy be a round worse when he does what everyone in the NFL tells juniors -- stay in school? He not only stayed, he played well, albeit on a 6-6 team.

I think what you're going to see two Saturdays from now is a team like the Ravens, Falcons or Chiefs trade up from their perch high in the second round to try to get Brohm, assuming none of the three take Ryan earlier in the first round. The team that has the most ammunition to move up from a high-second-round perch is Atlanta, with six picks between 34 and 103. Plus, Brohm has impressed the Falcons in predraft film study; offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, in particular, is said to be a Brohm fan.
Now onto your emails...

[Dirtbag59]

Interesting to see someone mention that Carlos Rogers has lived up to expectations. It makes me wonder if the disdain for Carlos Rogers has to do more with us passing up Shawn Meriman than Rogers actual performance.

Also found these
Hog Heaven | MVN - Most Valuable Network » Blog Archive » Carlos Rogers: “X” Factor, Revisited
Hog Heaven | MVN - Most Valuable Network » Blog Archive » Carlos Rogers: The “X” Factor of the 2007 Redskins

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 62 | Key
Alert: None

Comment: The 2005 first-round draft choice has lived up to expectations and continues to develop, starting 20 of 27 games over his first two seasons and gaining confidence with each repetition. He has long arms that he effectively uses to jam receivers out of their release in press coverage, knocking them off their routes and disrupting timing. He has loose hips that are fluid in transition in off coverage and the speed to turn and run vertically with wide receivers on deep balls. He has strong ball skills and can adjust to bad passes as well as track deep throws. He is able to snatch the ball or knock it down using his wingspan. His good technique and anticipation serve him well because he lacks the extra gear to run with elite receivers and does not have great recovery speed if out of position. As good as he is in man coverage, he is too soft in zone coverage at times and allows receivers too much room. That can be a problem because he likes to peek into the backfield and is susceptible to biting on play-action. When he guesses wrong he is not a good open-field tackler. Rogers could add size to his frame, but he has the athleticism to handle coverage assignments and the overall skills to have a long career.

[SmootSmack]

Those "Hog Heaven" articles were written by our very own GTripp

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Thomas is overrated garbage. 1 year JUCO, <100yds receiving his Sophomore year, breaks out as a junior with 79 catches, and bolts before people realize his season was a fluke. Stay far, far, far away from Thomas.

Of course Quake, if we could land Campbell with the 51st pick...this could still be a solid draft even if the first round pick was a bust

i thought the same thing about Thomas but something makes me want him

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Those "Hog Heaven" articles were written by our very own GTripp

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