It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

SmootSmack · 04-03-2009, 08:20 AM

I think I mentioned a while back that the Broncos never really wanted Campbell

mredskins · 04-03-2009, 08:28 AM

I wish we could some how collect all the post after say the Eagles victory last season. Man people were loving JC. I think he can still do it, it is really going to come down to the OL and the development of our young WR. Cutler would have had the same struggles here regardless.

A QB is not like a pitcher in baseball, there are many more moving parts that are out of his control as compared to a pitcher. That is why comparing the win/ loss column with QB's is a joke.

Paintrain · 04-03-2009, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Today's Washington Post

Campbell, Zorn, Cerrato and Snyder are expected to meet soon in an attempt to continue the healing process, sources close to Campbell said, with the team at some point planning to issue a statement of confidence in its former first-round draft pick, possibly as early as today

washingtonpost.com

I truly hope that Campbell goes into that meeting and tells Snyderatto that the one way they can reassure him is with a 3 year extension. Either way, I hope he's going to go out and prove that he's a franchise QB and he will get his due at the end of the year.

MTK · 04-03-2009, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paintrain

washingtonpost.com

I truly hope that Campbell goes into that meeting and tells Snyderatto that the one way they can reassure him is with a 3 year extension. Either way, I hope he's going to go out and prove that he's a franchise QB and he will get his due at the end of the year.

I don't see him doing that. He's not a guy to rock the boat even in a situation like this where it might be understandable to do so.

Paintrain · 04-03-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't see him doing that. He's not a guy to rock the boat even in a situation like this where it might be understandable to do so.

Well I wasn't saying it in a Cutler-esque way, more so saying 'I'd like the reassurance of your commitment to me long term.' Sometimes you already know the answer but at least you have to ask the question. Not to rock the boat, just to let them know you're not a shrinking violet either.

CRedskinsRule · 04-03-2009, 08:43 AM

Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge.

One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions?
In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver?

I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.

Son Of Man · 04-03-2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge.

One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions?
In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver?

I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.

I think the FO took themselves out of the running when the Bears upped the price to a player, two 1st rounders and a 3rd. The rumors only had us willing to offer Campbell and a 1st (too much IMO) or a 1st and a 2nd (via a Campbell trade). The Bears were just willing to give away a Ricky Williams type price to get their hometown guy. I am one of the obvo=ious few who think that the FO explored the trade option (any reputable franchise with a question mark at QB would) then backed out when the price became too steep. I applaud the FO's decision to do so. Let's be honest, if Danny really wanted him, he would have matched the Bears offer...and then some!

PS- Draft Maualuga

redsk1 · 04-03-2009, 08:53 AM

From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

Miller101 · 04-03-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsk1

From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved.

It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

MTK · 04-03-2009, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller101

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

That's a lot of maybes.

I think often times the most simple answer is the most logical one.

The powers that be saw Cutler to be an upgrade over Campbell.

redsk1 · 04-03-2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miller101

Or maybe they just think that Zorn's offense is flawed. Why build a team around a coach that runs a flawed offense? Why build a team around a coach that can't protect his quarterback from an outside blitz? Why build a team around a coach that doesn't know how to run the football with Sellers, Betts, and Portis? Maybe they realized that they just really screwed up hiring this coach in the first place? Maybe they are painstakingly giving him one more year, but they know that they're in for a long season?

I'm just saying............Maybe?

Exactly who hired this coach and when? That was one of the points i've been making. The JZ hire was desparation, lack of a plan type of hire.

irish · 04-03-2009, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsk1

Exactly who hired this coach and when? That was one of the points i've been making. The JZ hire was desparation, lack of a plan type of hire.

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

53Fan · 04-03-2009, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

Fassell?

CRedskinsRule · 04-03-2009, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

I agree, as much as I like the Zorn hire as a breath of fresh air, I really think DS and Co. had no other options and had to promote Zorn to HC. I cant see how any big time coach would want to come to the Skins to be jerked around by an owner that wont back him and is as likely as not to fire him fast. I think any smart coach just wouldnt want that taint on his resume.

Name one coach that DS has hired, who either during his time here OR upon leaving, that has said Snyder has not given him what he asked for or backed him in anyway. There are probably hundreds of posts on this board disproving the first part of your statement.

And what is your definition of fast?

Bozzy · 04-03-2009, 09:04 AM

The Broncos are stupid. They passed up Jason Campbell for Kyle Orton. WTF! Kyle Orton blows.

04-03-2009, 08:20 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago I think I mentioned a while back that the Broncos never really wanted Campbell __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-03-2009, 08:28 AM	#2
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,236	Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago I wish we could some how collect all the post after say the Eagles victory last season. Man people were loving JC. I think he can still do it, it is really going to come down to the OL and the development of our young WR. Cutler would have had the same struggles here regardless. A QB is not like a pitcher in baseball, there are many more moving parts that are out of his control as compared to a pitcher. That is why comparing the win/ loss column with QB's is a joke. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

04-03-2009, 08:43 AM	#6
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,744	Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago Yep, Both are competitors, and I doubt very much self-doubt creeps in. If they both buy in to the other's abilities then that should be huge. One question, and I wonder if we will ever get this answered truthfully. Vinny has always said the FO runs with the 3 big dogs coming to a group solution. We assume Danny wanted Cutler, we also assume Zorn was content with (and possibly actively campaigned for) Campbell. But does anyone know how vocal Vinnie was in these discussions? In other words, did the 3-headed solution actually work the way it claims, and Danny backed away from his desire by listening to his football people, or did we just get turned away at the gate of Denver? I suppose this goes to whether another team saved us from ourselves or whether our FO showed it is capable of following its own rules.

04-03-2009, 08:53 AM	#8
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago From all of this it just re-establishes the fact that Zorn is DS's and VC's puppet coach. Zorn's opinion doesn't matter too much in all of this and that's bad when your football coach doesn't have much say in things....especially when it's the QB involved. It makes me root for JC even more if that's possible. DS and VC will never learn.

04-03-2009, 09:04 AM	#15
Bozzy The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 1,034	Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago The Broncos are stupid. They passed up Jason Campbell for Kyle Orton. WTF! Kyle Orton blows.

It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago

Locker Room Main Forum