Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by Lotus

There is not a shred of evidence to support the point that the Redskins defense would have scored more if it were more rested, especially since the defense finished at #4 in the league despite what you describe as conditions of fatigue. Can't admit that you said something dumb, can you?

So let's recap what we've learned tonight: Some Colt fans do not argue from evidence, or they cherry-pick their evidence by ignoring facts which contradict their claims. When caught red-handed making a foolish argument, they change the argument or respond with ad hominem attacks. Some Colt fans even wish harm on Redskin players. If these are the arguments for Colt then some Colt fans just make JC look better.

It's amazing how blind JC fans are. You all think he's our answer to go to the super bowl. Before I argue about colt maybe I should change this arguement fully to JC, answer me this along with my other previous questions before I answer your foolish and biased questions; where would you all rank JC among the other 31 starting QBs in the NFL 1 being the best?...and ruhskins I'm a stat guy sometimes as long as there to the point and not ridiculous...and yes me and that dbuch answered that chicks poor question it's on page 8 or 9 I think when I talked about all those QBs in the playoffs...and btw the junkies on 106.7 wjfk had people call in and took a poll about who is the better QB on their team flacco or JC and I remember it was 70-30 in favor of flacco...ouch! Look I used to be hyped up and piss my pants like you all do when JC comes on the field during his rookie year and second year, but by the end of his second year I figured oh next year he'll be even better then next year came and there wasn't much improvement I thought well next year he should be better then we switched offensive coordinators, I thought oh this shouldn't set him back that much he's a pro now he should be able to grasp an offense well...and that didn't happen, then he sucked towards the second half of the season..my friends family coworkers neighbors and so on are either redskin fans or watch the skins games when their other favorite team isn't playing, and we talk lots of skins talk and I would ask them was is it our redskins are not making the playoffs, and the constant answer I would get was JC is the reason why we suck, but me being the true skin fan I would say all the things I've heard from you all tonight on this board, and get responses like what I've told you all, then the more we would talk skins in the past the more they would say JC is not the answer...so to see for myself I played coach and I rewatched all 16 games from this past year and last year, and saw Campbell getting sacked way too much, not being able to call for where he needed protection, then I saw him throwing to the receiver whose running a 6 yard route on 3rd and 8 whereas randle el would be open on the 15 yd dig route I also saw Campbell over throw moss by about 8 yards and him under throw moss by 3 yards, had he of thrown it in front of him it would of been a walk in td I saw a lot of him not getting rid of the ball soon enough and too much of him throwing to his first choice and not seeing the field I also saw ARE and moss beat their man on several occasions, but Campbell didn't want to risk it so he throws the hitch to cooley for about 7 yards instead of to moss or el for about 15 yards...you look at his stats and you see all those completions but don't realize that there just let dump off passes to cooley or portis, or screens to moss by now Campbell shouldve thrown at least 20 tds in A season..and he still hasn't then after all that I realized he sadly isn't the answer; once a conservative QB, always a conservative QB...me arguing you all isn't gonna do anything cause you all think he's the answer and of course you'll be biased to him it won't be tell he's gone that you all will admit he wasn't good, and now you all are gonna give me his stats saying that he's one of the top QBs at this in the league or he may be better than this playoff QB or whatever, the point is he hasn't gotten us to the playoffs and being the realistic person I am, I don't see him doing that for us; plus the stats only tell you half the story, and one of my favorite bill parcells quotes is you are what your record says you are we didn't deserve to go to the playoffs after starting 6-2 and finishing 2-6 while getting beat by cincy and San fran losing to Dallas by four at our house and barely squeeking by Philly last I checked our defense was the problem for two of those games and our offense led by you know who was the problem for the rest of those games...and btw if we tried to trade JC then why was it that no one showed interest in Investing a first or second rounder for him? And with the cutler talks I heard we were gonna swap QBs and trade some picks but Denver didn't want Campbell and took orton over him...double oouchh!!

Other thoughts I saw while monitoring the board

Ruhskins and lotus, gtripp and joe think JC is JC and ruhskin takes the whole injury thing I said way too seriously and someone thinks I'm actually gonna hurt JC

Redskingirl has no meaning to this conversation cause she asked me to name every QB that's better than JC in the playoffs, and I said all of them are, plus she's getting her stats from NFL.com so I coils careless about what a girl has to say about my redskins

Someone said something like us brennan fans only give our opinions and not the facts of what others have said, and what I have to say to that is that I haven't seen anything of truth or value worth arguing for or against your points and opinions are pretty meaningless cause your all so blind to the fact of how JC isn't goodbyt you all pray and think, and beleive he is..I think deseal44 had the best thing to say with QB protection and what not on page like 13 or 14 I believe

Someone said that them and that skins girl are more knowledgeable than I am in football, and they are still wrong I spend hours watching the skins over and over again checking what they did wrong etc etc and can tell you lots about offense defenses who to play and lots of football facts especially about college and the NFL

Smootsmack ..I'm not whatever age I put down when I signed up here, I do so cause I've had my identity stolen in the past so on the Internet I use a fake name and age to keep hackers second guessing (nick is my middle name)

Last thing, someone brought up the part about me agueing about JC and warner and mentioned tom Brady and peyton manning in that sentence to make my arguement easier or something..ya well peyton and tom are on a whole other planet compared to JC they're the two best in the league as most would say so I don't think I need to really debate much about them and JC

I'm out and tired of typing peace

[DynamiteRave]

Go go gadget, wall of text!!

Good Lord man, was it really worth all that?

I am a Brennan fan and I'd love to see the kid out there. But if JC is what's best for the team (so says the coaches) I'll take that, cut my losses and call it a day. If we're winning at the end of this season and JC is still at the helm, don't come back to these boards saying it was a lucky season or you knew he could do it all along.

By the way, no need hating on the ladies. Being one, for you to think you have some superior knowledge compared to Redskingirl is a load of crap. Who cares if she got her stats from NFL.com, at least she's backing up her statement with stats. That kinda counts for something if it's supporting her argument. Not everyone can put their life on hold and re-watch all of last years games, come onto a Redskins board and start putting everyone on blast because they don't agree with them.

Capping on someone because they're saying something that's a a steaming pile is one thing. Once you start saying it's a steaming pile because they're female is just idiotic to say the least. I've seen dudes on here have the most inane and obtuse opinions ever. But a crap argument is a crap argument, gender aside.

But seriously if you think you can do better and are more qualified to make roster decisions than Zorn and the Redskins staff, please direct your employment application to Dan Snyder.

[SmootSmack]

Damn you Redskinsgirl for referring to statistics on NFL.com to support your arguments on a football message board! What the hell are you thinking? Sigh...women

[MTK]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Go go gadget, wall of text!!

Good Lord man, was it really worth all that?

lol, generally the more wordier the post, the less they are really saying.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

It's amazing how blind JC fans are. You all think he's our answer to go to the super bowl. Before I argue about colt maybe I should change this arguement fully to JC, answer me this along with my other previous questions before I answer your foolish and biased questions; where would you all rank JC among the other 31 starting QBs in the NFL 1 being the best?...and ruhskins I'm a stat guy sometimes as long as there to the point and not ridiculous...and yes me and that dbuch answered that chicks poor question it's on page 8 or 9 I think when I talked about all those QBs in the playoffs...and btw the junkies on 106.7 wjfk had people call in and took a poll about who is the better QB on their team flacco or JC and I remember it was 70-30 in favor of flacco...ouch! Look I used to be hyped up and piss my pants like you all do when JC comes on the field during his rookie year and second year, but by the end of his second year I figured oh next year he'll be even better then next year came and there wasn't much improvement I thought well next year he should be better then we switched offensive coordinators, I thought oh this shouldn't set him back that much he's a pro now he should be able to grasp an offense well...and that didn't happen, then he sucked towards the second half of the season..my friends family coworkers neighbors and so on are either redskin fans or watch the skins games when their other favorite team isn't playing, and we talk lots of skins talk and I would ask them was is it our redskins are not making the playoffs, and the constant answer I would get was JC is the reason why we suck, but me being the true skin fan I would say all the things I've heard from you all tonight on this board, and get responses like what I've told you all, then the more we would talk skins in the past the more they would say JC is not the answer...so to see for myself I played coach and I rewatched all 16 games from this past year and last year, and saw Campbell getting sacked way too much, not being able to call for where he needed protection, then I saw him throwing to the receiver whose running a 6 yard route on 3rd and 8 whereas randle el would be open on the 15 yd dig route I also saw Campbell over throw moss by about 8 yards and him under throw moss by 3 yards, had he of thrown it in front of him it would of been a walk in td I saw a lot of him not getting rid of the ball soon enough and too much of him throwing to his first choice and not seeing the field I also saw ARE and moss beat their man on several occasions, but Campbell didn't want to risk it so he throws the hitch to cooley for about 7 yards instead of to moss or el for about 15 yards...you look at his stats and you see all those completions but don't realize that there just let dump off passes to cooley or portis, or screens to moss by now Campbell shouldve thrown at least 20 tds in A season..and he still hasn't then after all that I realized he sadly isn't the answer; once a conservative QB, always a conservative QB...me arguing you all isn't gonna do anything cause you all think he's the answer and of course you'll be biased to him it won't be tell he's gone that you all will admit he wasn't good, and now you all are gonna give me his stats saying that he's one of the top QBs at this in the league or he may be better than this playoff QB or whatever, the point is he hasn't gotten us to the playoffs and being the realistic person I am, I don't see him doing that for us; plus the stats only tell you half the story, and one of my favorite bill parcells quotes is you are what your record says you are we didn't deserve to go to the playoffs after starting 6-2 and finishing 2-6 while getting beat by cincy and San fran losing to Dallas by four at our house and barely squeeking by Philly last I checked our defense was the problem for two of those games and our offense led by you know who was the problem for the rest of those games...and btw if we tried to trade JC then why was it that no one showed interest in Investing a first or second rounder for him? And with the cutler talks I heard we were gonna swap QBs and trade some picks but Denver didn't want Campbell and took orton over him...double oouchh!!

Other thoughts I saw while monitoring the board

Ruhskins and lotus, gtripp and joe think JC is JC and ruhskin takes the whole injury thing I said way too seriously and someone thinks I'm actually gonna hurt JC

Redskingirl has no meaning to this conversation cause she asked me to name every QB that's better than JC in the playoffs, and I said all of them are, plus she's getting her stats from NFL.com so I coils careless about what a girl has to say about my redskins

Someone said something like us brennan fans only give our opinions and not the facts of what others have said, and what I have to say to that is that I haven't seen anything of truth or value worth arguing for or against your points and opinions are pretty meaningless cause your all so blind to the fact of how JC isn't goodbyt you all pray and think, and beleive he is..I think deseal44 had the best thing to say with QB protection and what not on page like 13 or 14 I believe

Someone said that them and that skins girl are more knowledgeable than I am in football, and they are still wrong I spend hours watching the skins over and over again checking what they did wrong etc etc and can tell you lots about offense defenses who to play and lots of football facts especially about college and the NFL

Smootsmack ..I'm not whatever age I put down when I signed up here, I do so cause I've had my identity stolen in the past so on the Internet I use a fake name and age to keep hackers second guessing (nick is my middle name)

Last thing, someone brought up the part about me agueing about JC and warner and mentioned tom Brady and peyton manning in that sentence to make my arguement easier or something..ya well peyton and tom are on a whole other planet compared to JC they're the two best in the league as most would say so I don't think I need to really debate much about them and JC

I'm out and tired of typing peace

I ask you to name every "subpar" QB in the playoffs not every QB.

You didn't answer my questions. You and Buch. never explained why teams with subpart QB play still managed to make the playoffs. All you said was that Collins, Flacco,Ryan, and Ben were better than JC even though they had similar stats to JC. They didn't throw alot of TDs so how were there teams able to average over 20 pts a game??

The only thing Buch said is that those teams averaged more than 13 points a game in the second half of the season.

Neither one of you explained how those four teams were able to average more than 13 points a game? Those four teams QBs were throwning about same amount of TDs that JC was throwing.

This isn't about being a JC fan or Brennan fan. I like JC, Brennan, and Collins. i wish all three could start. I think the skins would have still finished 8-8 regardless who started. You missing the point. The point is just changing QB is not going to make the skins a better team without making improvements in other areas. There are four teams who offenses(passing) were as pathetic as the skins, but still got to the playoffs. Their QBs didn't throw a ton of TDs. They were conservative QBs. They didn't play like Brady. The type of QBs you both hate. You and Buch. made it seem like if JC would have thrown just a couple more TDs than the skins would have been in the playoffs. Look at all the teams who QBs threw a ton of TDs and still missed the playoffs. A team needs more alot more than great QB play to get to the next level. The skins had a #4 defense who couldn't score a TD off a defensive turnovers. There is something wrong when a team defense is ranked number #4 and hasn't scored a TD off a defensive turnover. All the teams in the playoffs had at least scored a touchdown from a defensive turnover.

A couple of more questions I would like answered.

How does Cooley lead the redskins in TDs in 07 and got barely one in the 08 season?? It was the same QB throwning TDs so what happened???

How come the minute Moss gets injured the offense seems to all of sudden cease to exist? Review 06, 07, and 08 seasons. Look at the Lions game in 08where Moss pulled his hammy. Things for the offense started to go downhill from there.

Better yet how come teams like Steelers, Giants can lose key players and don't miss a beat? When the skins lose just one key player things start to fall apart?

How come the skins defense ranked 8th in 07, but scored 4 TDs off defensive turnovers?? Didn't the skins fourth ranked defense couldn't produce a TD from a defensive turnover. Please explain that one to me.

How come by game eight everyone watching a skins game could predict exactly what play Zorn/Smith was going to call on 2nd and 3rd down?

Since you want to bring up the Dallas game, if Moss would have caught the pass Campbell threw in double coverage, than the skins probably would have won that game. The pass was a little overthrown, but it was catchable and he should have caught it. The Dallas loss was really due to bad coaching.


Everyone on here saying JC does deserve some of the blame, but his isn't solely responsible for the skins collaspe. Coaching, DL, OL, receivers, & special teams need too get the blame also.

Look at all the Steelers game last season. They had similar problems to the skins: injured RB, bad oline, QB didn't throw over 20 TDs, but yet they still managed to average 21 ppg and even win a superbowl. Big Ben held the ball too long, checkdown, etc. He did alot of the things you complained JC did, but look how Tomlin put Ben in better situtations than Zorn put Cambpell in.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

Look at all the Steelers game last season. They had similar problems to the skins: injured RB, bad oline, QB didn't throw over 20 TDs, but yet they still managed to average 21 ppg and even win a superbowl. Big Ben held the ball too long, checkdown, etc. He did alot of the things you complained JC did, but look how Tomlin put Ben in better situtations than Zorn put Cambpell in.

That's actually a pretty fair comparison between the Skins and Steelers. The Steeleres, however, have a much better playmaking defense. I know you referenced that earlier in your post, I just didn't want to copy the whole thing. The difference between the Skins D and the Ravens/Steelers was that the Skins got stops, but they didn't make plays. Very few sacks, not many turnovers and no touchdowns. The #4 ranking is totally based on yards, but they were nowhere near the caliber of the Steelers or Ravens D last year.

To get back to the offense and your comparison. The Steelers had many of the same issues. Big Ben holds the ball forever and can sometimes escape defenders, but often, he creates sacks by holding the ball. They're O Line is also much maligned, much like the Skins and they were able to go all the way. The difference, as I see it? They have guys who are reliable at receiver.

Santonio Holmes or Hines Ward would be the #1 wide out on this team and I would say that Nate Washington would have been the #2. They had playmakers at wide out, the Skins have Santana and he never stays healthy. The wide receiver corps for the Skins has been very inconsistent for a long time. Even when Santana's healthy, he still drops a lot of balls.

I'm not trying to put all of the blame on the receivers, but one of the last games I was able to watch was the Bengals game. On the first/second drive alone there were 2 consecutive passes that would have gone for first downs and at least 3 others that game where the ball was dropped. There were a lot of drops last season, the whole offense was inconsistent, not just Jason. After the O Line got banged up, Clinton was slumping, Jason was missing some guys and receivers were dropping balls. To say that it was totally Jason holding the team back is just ignorant, there was little about the offense that was good at the end of the season last year.

[Lotus]

Oh, look, NFLNick the Cowboys troll is back!

Since you singled me out, I will respond: you keep calling me a JC fan but I never said that. I simply said that your arguments were flawed and uneducated. Please stop putting words in my mouth and please start being at least a little self-aware and self-critical.

redskinsgirl ran circles around you because she produced evidence for her points and you did not. Gender has nothing to do with it; the ability to argue with evidence does. Based solely on your arguments, redskinsgirl is a much more knowledgeable fan than you are. Please learn a lesson here.

You argued more than once that a Redskins player should get hurt. No true Redskins fan would ever make such an argument but a Cowboys fan would. Please go back to the Cowboys site and stop trolling here.

[redskinsgirl]

Originally Posted by jdlea

That's actually a pretty fair comparison between the Skins and Steelers. The Steeleres, however, have a much better playmaking defense. I know you referenced that earlier in your post, I just didn't want to copy the whole thing. The difference between the Skins D and the Ravens/Steelers was that the Skins got stops, but they didn't make plays. Very few sacks, not many turnovers and no touchdowns. The #4 ranking is totally based on yards, but they were nowhere near the caliber of the Steelers or Ravens D last year.

To get back to the offense and your comparison. The Steelers had many of the same issues. Big Ben holds the ball forever and can sometimes escape defenders, but often, he creates sacks by holding the ball. They're O Line is also much maligned, much like the Skins and they were able to go all the way. The difference, as I see it? They have guys who are reliable at receiver.

Santonio Holmes or Hines Ward would be the #1 wide out on this team and I would say that Nate Washington would have been the #2. They had playmakers at wide out, the Skins have Santana and he never stays healthy. The wide receiver corps for the Skins has been very inconsistent for a long time. Even when Santana's healthy, he still drops a lot of balls.

I'm not trying to put all of the blame on the receivers, but one of the last games I was able to watch was the Bengals game. On the first/second drive alone there were 2 consecutive passes that would have gone for first downs and at least 3 others that game where the ball was dropped. There were a lot of drops last season, the whole offense was inconsistent, not just Jason. After the O Line got banged up, Clinton was slumping, Jason was missing some guys and receivers were dropping balls. To say that it was totally Jason holding the team back is just ignorant, there was little about the offense that was good at the end of the season last year.

You nailed it right on the head. Having playmakers (besides the QB) on both sides of the balls is what seperates the skins last season from teams like the Giants, Steelers, Raven etc. For some reason Buch and NFlnick don't get it. You don't have to have a great QB to win games. The last two superbowls were won with QBs who "stastically" played about the same or worse than Campbell. Big Ben is more "clutch" than Campbell, but is that solely due to Big Ben been a better decision maker? How much does other factors such coaching/playcalling, receivers(running good routes/catching balls) come into play for a QB to become "clutch"?

JC may not be the answer, but who is to say Brennan is. Just because he did well in games that don't count doesn't he will play the same during regular season. As I stated before he didn't have the pressure in preseason he will have during the regular season. Its easy to rack up a ton of yards in preseason because defenses aren't really playing up to their full potential. So are you saying since Brennan played better than JC than he should have started??? Well following your logic McMullen played better than Moss in preseason, so we should have kept McMullen and let him started over Moss right? Mason played better than Portis, so we should have made Portis the #2 back and made Mason the #1???

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by redskinsgirl

I ask you to name every "subpar" QB in the playoffs not every QB.

You didn't answer my questions. You and Buch. never explained why teams with subpart QB play still managed to make the playoffs. All you said was that Collins, Flacco,Ryan, and Ben were better than JC even though they had similar stats to JC. They didn't throw alot of TDs so how were there teams able to average over 20 pts a game??

The only thing Buch said is that those teams averaged more than 13 points a game in the second half of the season.

Neither one of you explained how those four teams were able to average more than 13 points a game? Those four teams QBs were throwning about same amount of TDs that JC was throwing.

This isn't about being a JC fan or Brennan fan. I like JC, Brennan, and Collins. i wish all three could start. I think the skins would have still finished 8-8 regardless who started. You missing the point. The point is just changing QB is not going to make the skins a better team without making improvements in other areas. There are four teams who offenses(passing) were as pathetic as the skins, but still got to the playoffs. Their QBs didn't throw a ton of TDs. They were conservative QBs. They didn't play like Brady. The type of QBs you both hate. You and Buch. made it seem like if JC would have thrown just a couple more TDs than the skins would have been in the playoffs. Look at all the teams who QBs threw a ton of TDs and still missed the playoffs. A team needs more alot more than great QB play to get to the next level. The skins had a #4 defense who couldn't score a TD off a defensive turnovers. There is something wrong when a team defense is ranked number #4 and hasn't scored a TD off a defensive turnover. All the teams in the playoffs had at least scored a touchdown from a defensive turnover.

A couple of more questions I would like answered.

How does Cooley lead the redskins in TDs in 07 and got barely one in the 08 season?? It was the same QB throwning TDs so what happened???

How come the minute Moss gets injured the offense seems to all of sudden cease to exist? Review 06, 07, and 08 seasons. Look at the Lions game in 08where Moss pulled his hammy. Things for the offense started to go downhill from there.

Better yet how come teams like Steelers, Giants can lose key players and don't miss a beat? When the skins lose just one key player things start to fall apart?

How come the skins defense ranked 8th in 07, but scored 4 TDs off defensive turnovers?? Didn't the skins fourth ranked defense couldn't produce a TD from a defensive turnover. Please explain that one to me.

How come by game eight everyone watching a skins game could predict exactly what play Zorn/Smith was going to call on 2nd and 3rd down?

Since you want to bring up the Dallas game, if Moss would have caught the pass Campbell threw in double coverage, than the skins probably would have won that game. The pass was a little overthrown, but it was catchable and he should have caught it. The Dallas loss was really due to bad coaching.


Everyone on here saying JC does deserve some of the blame, but his isn't solely responsible for the skins collaspe. Coaching, DL, OL, receivers, & special teams need too get the blame also.

Look at all the Steelers game last season. They had similar problems to the skins: injured RB, bad oline, QB didn't throw over 20 TDs, but yet they still managed to average 21 ppg and even win a superbowl. Big Ben held the ball too long, checkdown, etc. He did alot of the things you complained JC did, but look how Tomlin put Ben in better situtations than Zorn put Cambpell in.

Good insight.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by jdlea

That's actually a pretty fair comparison between the Skins and Steelers. The Steeleres, however, have a much better playmaking defense. I know you referenced that earlier in your post, I just didn't want to copy the whole thing. The difference between the Skins D and the Ravens/Steelers was that the Skins got stops, but they didn't make plays. Very few sacks, not many turnovers and no touchdowns. The #4 ranking is totally based on yards, but they were nowhere near the caliber of the Steelers or Ravens D last year.

To get back to the offense and your comparison. The Steelers had many of the same issues. Big Ben holds the ball forever and can sometimes escape defenders, but often, he creates sacks by holding the ball. They're O Line is also much maligned, much like the Skins and they were able to go all the way. The difference, as I see it? They have guys who are reliable at receiver.

Santonio Holmes or Hines Ward would be the #1 wide out on this team and I would say that Nate Washington would have been the #2. They had playmakers at wide out, the Skins have Santana and he never stays healthy. The wide receiver corps for the Skins has been very inconsistent for a long time. Even when Santana's healthy, he still drops a lot of balls.

I'm not trying to put all of the blame on the receivers, but one of the last games I was able to watch was the Bengals game. On the first/second drive alone there were 2 consecutive passes that would have gone for first downs and at least 3 others that game where the ball was dropped. There were a lot of drops last season, the whole offense was inconsistent, not just Jason. After the O Line got banged up, Clinton was slumping, Jason was missing some guys and receivers were dropping balls. To say that it was totally Jason holding the team back is just ignorant, there was little about the offense that was good at the end of the season last year.

I'd say that sums it up pretty well. That and a lack of a scoring/turnover abled defense usually won't get you but so far.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Oh, look, NFLNick the Cowboys troll is back!

Since you singled me out, I will respond: you keep calling me a JC fan but I never said that. I simply said that your arguments were flawed and uneducated. Please stop putting words in my mouth and please start being at least a little self-aware and self-critical.

redskinsgirl ran circles around you because she produced evidence for her points and you did not. Gender has nothing to do with it; the ability to argue with evidence does. Based solely on your arguments, redskinsgirl is a much more knowledgeable fan than you are. Please learn a lesson here.

You argued more than once that a Redskins player should get hurt. No true Redskins fan would ever make such an argument but a Cowboys fan would. Please go back to the Cowboys site and stop trolling here.

Please, I've seen Cowboy fans on this site say better things about Jason Campbell than this guy (or make better arguments). But my money would be on him being a Cowboy fan.

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'd say that sums it up pretty well. That and a lack of a scoring/turnover abled defense usually won't get you but so far.

So our 6th ranked scoring defense isnt good enough? funny how teams 1-5 in scoring defense ALL MADE THE PLAYOFFS! Last i checked it was the defenses primary job to stop the other team from scoring.. not to have to score 2 tds a game on int and fumble returns. If we are at that point where they have to do that each week for us to win.WE DONT DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS IMO
And enough of ppl blaming the O-line for JC's woes,other than the Steeler game,which they did play terrible in that game they did a good job keeping JC upright.
There wasn't a very big difference in the o-line's play outside the Pittsburgh game, which skews the statistics and apparently minds
In the last 8 games JC was sacked 22 times if i remember right, and thats counting the 7 sack Steeler game. so thats 15 in the last 7 games. the first 8 games he was sacked 16 times. Not a big difference.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But, why don't we actually go a step further, and break down Wilcots' breakdown.

Play 1

Campbell faces a 5 man overload rush against 6 man protection. The Redskins have the play picked up. Campbell's first read is open, so he goes to him, completing the pass and Moss is tackled short of the first down. The video shows that Moss was the correct read. Wilcots suggested that the game situation dictated that Campbell should have held the ball the extra second, and try to thread it into Randle El who was a yard short of the marker on 3 and 13.

Wilcots does not tell you that the Redskins were going to, and did go for it on fourth down. (This would hurt his argument) It's not like this is important or anything. Because getting 7 yards when you need to get 13 in two plays is sooooo useless.

For the record, Campbell's pass at the first down marker on 4th down was broken up. Randle El fell down.

Play 2

Redskins protect only 5 against a 4 man rush. Samuels is clearly beaten off the snap, and Campbell has pressure immediately.

Thrash is on a clear out route at the top of the screen. The corner turns him loose into cover two and the safety doesn't go over.

This looks terrible because Wilcots puts a #2 on Thrash before the play. But wait, Thrash was running a clear out, he doesn't even look back at the quarterback. That's not a read in the progression, he's supposed to take the safety out the play. That's his job.

Naming Thrash as the second receiver is utter bullshit from Wilcots. He's simply NOT in the progression. If Campbell had extended the play to the right side of the field, perhaps he would have hit him with a pass. Otherwise, it's clear Portis was the ONLY throw on this play. There is nothing evidence about this.

The 8 yards MOVED THE REDSKINS INTO FIELD GOAL RANGE ON THIRD AND 13. Zorn passed on a 52 yard field goal attempt for a pooch punt...which Plack put in the end zone, probably because of a curse that Campbell put on him because he was leaving the field.

Play 3

This is a designed play called by Zorn that the Giants sniffed out. ALL THREE DEEP RECEIVERS ARE ON CLEARS, AND ALL THREE ARE PROPERLY COVERED.

This was not a good call by Zorn, or at least it wasn't going to work into a zone defense. If they had caught the Giants in a blitz, it's a 40 yard TD pass. They didn't, and they didn't convert. I don't even know what Wilcots is putting on Campbell. That he should have changed the play in the huddle? That he should have drawn the Giants offsides with his cadence?

Needless to say, Wilcots' sample consists of a 3rd and 12, a 3rd and 13, and a 3rd and 17. Boy, what a freakin bum right.

Not one missed read in the entire clip. Just bad analysis from a bad analyst.

dcbuchanon you have yet to respond to this. Please do so before you utter any more nonsense.

[DBUCHANON101]

This looks terrible because Wilcots puts a #2 on Thrash before the play. But wait, Thrash was running a clear out, he doesn't even look back at the quarterback. That's not a read in the progression, he's supposed to take the safety out the play. That's his job.

When attacking a Cover 2 look thats what you look for, the corner release when the safety is moving over the top. thats when the window opens during that transition.

This is a designed play called by Zorn that the Giants sniffed out. ALL THREE DEEP RECEIVERS ARE ON CLEARS, AND ALL THREE ARE PROPERLY COVERED

One on one coverage. sorry man but this is the NFL, you arent going to have WIDE open wr's very often.

[Paintrain]

I've stayed out of the Campbell/Colt/Cutler/Sanchez business for the most part since the draft but for any educated, rational fan it's obvious that we wouldn't be having these discussions if we had made the playoffs last season. A couple points to address that fact:

1. While we had the #4 defense (based on yardage allowed) that is probably the most hollow statistic in the entire NFL. It's been well documented how poor we were at getting pressure on the QB and getting turnovers. That's what makes defenses elite, not merely yardage against. Our #4 ranked defense gave up huge plays on game winning drives against St. Louis and SF and couldn't get off the field against Cincy and Dallas to give the offense additional chances to score in the 4th quarter of those games.

2. We were literally 4 plays away from being an 11 win team last year.
-Leigh Torrence gives up a huge play on 3rd and long to Donnie Avery putting the Rams in FG territory with less than 2:00 in the game. Josh Brown kicks the game winning FG.

-Santana Moss has a TD pass hit him in the hands at the 9 yard line in the 4th quarter vs. Dallas which would have given us the lead back. We convert 3 more first downs on that drive but turn it over on downs after a bad drop on 3rd and 4 by Thomas and a bad read by Campbell on 4th and 4. We give the ball back with 6:40 left and don't see the ball again.

-Mike Sellers gets stuffed on 2nd down and then fumbles on 3rd down from the half yard line at the 5:30 in the 3rd period against Cincy which would have tied the game. From that point forward we had 3 more possessions (in a quarter and a half!) and those possessions started at our 9 yard line, our 11 yard line and their 20 yard line (after a long KO return inside of 2:00 in the 4th).

-In a tie game with :28 left, Shaun Hill completes a 24 yard pass to the 20 yard line for the game winning FG.

While that wasn't a guaranteed win, if we were playing for something I'd like to think we'd make it happen in overtime.

If those 4 plays don't happen, I don't think most knowledgeable and rational fans would care that Campbell only threw 13 TD last year.