Haynesworth fails conditioning test

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think I'm gonna go up to my old high school tommarow and see if I can pass the test....

While you're there, you should stop by your old English teacher's room and punch him/her in the face.

[mlmpetert]

Redskins Insider - Shanahan is done commenting on Haynesworth's condition

"He'll pass the test," Shanahan said. "He's just going to have to be in a little bit better shape. I don't know when he's going to pass it. But he's going to work extremely hard... He was on the treadmill this morning and hopefully, in the near future, he'll be ready to practice some football."
For the second straight day, Haynesworth worked briefly after practice with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney. Haslett and Haynesworth walked off the field together, talking and smiling.

"When Albert does pass the test, he'll be out on that football field going 100 mph," Shanahan said. "I just think it's the best thing for him to be in the best football shape he could possibly be in...so when he's healthy, he can contribute to our football team.

"But I don't want to put a guy out there before he's ready, before I know he's in shape. I know it's the best thing for him. He may not know it at this time, but I guarantee you, the big linemen I've been with, the guys who are in the trenches, they still need to be in shape.
"This test, it's a very minimal test, and we've used it as part of our workout program for a long time."

[ethat001]

Hmmm.. So 300 yards is about 3 football fields, or 0.1705 miles.

With some simple math, that is like running at 8.77 mph for 70 seconds on your treadmill at home, taking a 3 1/2 minute break and then doing it again.

Doesn't sound that hard, even doing it with 85 degree temperatures. Then again, I don't weigh 300 pounds. Perhaps we could take a poll to see how many of us can do this..

[Gmanc711]

I honestly think I could do it with ease. I'm gonna leigtamtley try this weekend just to see how hard it really is... then again, I am about 120 pounds less than he is.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Redskins Insider - Shanahan is done commenting on Haynesworth's condition

"He'll pass the test," Shanahan said. "He's just going to have to be in a little bit better shape. I don't know when he's going to pass it. But he's going to work extremely hard... He was on the treadmill this morning and hopefully, in the near future, he'll be ready to practice some football."
For the second straight day, Haynesworth worked briefly after practice with defensive coordinator Jim Haslett and defensive line coach Jacob Burney. Haslett and Haynesworth walked off the field together, talking and smiling.

"When Albert does pass the test, he'll be out on that football field going 100 mph," Shanahan said. "I just think it's the best thing for him to be in the best football shape he could possibly be in...so when he's healthy, he can contribute to our football team.

"But I don't want to put a guy out there before he's ready, before I know he's in shape. I know it's the best thing for him. He may not know it at this time, but I guarantee you, the big linemen I've been with, the guys who are in the trenches, they still need to be in shape.
"This test, it's a very minimal test, and we've used it as part of our workout program for a long time."

I think we should follow MS' lead and stop commenting on it too. Glad to see that AH and Haslett are developing a working relationship.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Clarett was at one time an upcoming star RB. They took a chance and failed it happens. All I'm saying is this whole organization hasn't had a HARD ASS coach in years. I love Joe Gibbs but he was more laid back in his 2nd stint. MS is rebuilding this franchise, we could always have JZ back instead.

yeah i dont get how drafting clarett in the last pick of the 3rd round is a big knock on shanny. he took a chance on the guy who stock had dropped due to him being out of football for a year and some weight issues.

after a month of being on the broncos, shanny cut him before the reg season even started.

I dont mind when calculated risk vs reward decisions dont pan out.

ethat - lol i know if i didnt have abdominal surgery last week i would be running the sprint when i got home tonight. if anyone does it, let us know your time. lol all over the dc metro area there is going to be a bunch of middle aged guys running high school football fields this weekend with stop watches in the wife's hands.

edit - if enough people do it we could make a thread on everyones results?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I honestly think I could do it with ease. I'm gonna leigtamtley try this weekend just to see how hard it really is... then again, I am about 120 pounds less than he is.

120 pounds less than Haynesworth still sounds overweight.

[mlmpetert]

I couldn’t be more behind what Shanahan is doing. Im cool with players doing their offseason conditioning at home or in their college city or wherever, except when you have a new coach or regime coming. If Al’s most important thing was winning he would have been at the Park for all the workouts voluntary or not.

I am a guy that is cool with taking chances on players. I like taking the chance with Larry Johnson. I would say let’s bring Shawn Andrews into camp. Santinio Holmes for a 5th rounder, sure. Mike Vick (last year), yeah let’s give him a chance. Even Tony “never have I ever had sex with my sister” Washington, hey we all make mistakes. My point is you cant have malcontents on your team if youre gonna let them police themselves. You cant be laissez-faire with guys that have the chance to be disruptive. Even if you side with Al on him not thinking we would switch to the 3-4 (I partially do) you cant let him walk all over you and your team. Not just to put him in line but to keep everyone else in line. Al made his point clear to the coaching staff AND the players. Now Shanahan is doing the same, and at the end of the day Al will be a better player for it as will the team. Unless he quits but that could ruin his career and he could lose money, so I doubt that happens.

Also everyone was there for at least 50% of the workouts and team togather averaged over 90% complete attendance. Shanahan apparently said if youre not here for 50% of activates there will be a test. What is he supposed to do back out on his word? Blow off everyone who worked hard at the Park because Al gets paid more? Not hold players accountable or have standards when you insist on private conditioning when there are major changes at the helm taking place?

I played JV football for 1 year (then found funner things to do after school) and our QB kept fumbling the snap in practice, again and again. Our coach said if you fumble one more time youre running for the rest of practice. Our qb fumbled the next play, so he took off running. About 10 minutes later our coach said you can stop and return to practice. Guess what. The OB kept fumbling. If you say something you stick to your guns. I hope Sanny does in this case.

[Player_HTTR]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Hmmm.. So 300 yards is about 3 football fields, or 0.1705 miles.

With some simple math, that is like running at 8.77 mph for 70 seconds on your treadmill at home, taking a 3 1/2 minute break and then doing it again.

Doesn't sound that hard, even doing it with 85 degree temperatures. Then again, I don't weigh 300 pounds. Perhaps we could take a poll to see how many of us can do this..

I just talked to my buddy who played C for UNC a few years back and said 2 300 yard shuttles should be "cake" even for a lineman. He is going to look into his old conditioning program but said they had a 1000yard shuttle followed by 3 300s for part of their conditioning test.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Here's an idea for AH: show up to 50% of the OTAs. Then you won't have to run suicides in the broiling summer sun while everyone watches.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Player_HTTR

I just talked to my buddy who played C for UNC a few years back and said 2 300 yard shuttles should be "cake" even for a lineman. He is going to look into his old conditioning program but said they had a 1000yard shuttle followed by 3 300s for part of their conditioning test.

That is pretty brutal.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Buster

120 pounds less than Haynesworth still sounds overweight.

Ha, trust me it is. I did just drop 15 though, so I'm working on it lol.

[Kindoy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

IMO this is snowballing into a public pissing contest between Shanny and Albert. I don't like it one bit.

i feel exactly the same... Shanny needs to just cut the crap and and stop dragging this thing on, he's not going to get hurt because he can't run 300 yards at a full sprint. the most he'll sprint this year is 5 yards. Yes i get that Shanny is trying to make a point and "teach him a lesson" but at this point the last thing we need is this whole circus in town. He, and his $21 mil, are more important to us on the field then running shuttle drills. It seems like AH is making the effort to get back and has changed his attitude somewhat, and i think Shanny should do the same. Let him practice, but just make him pass it by the end of camp.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by Kindoy

i feel exactly the same... Shanny needs to just cut the crap and and stop dragging this thing on, he's not going to get hurt because he can't run 300 yards at a full sprint. the most he'll sprint this year is 5 yards. Yes i get that Shanny is trying to make a point and "teach him a lesson" but at this point the last thing we need is this whole circus in town. He, and his $21 mil, are more important to us on the field then running shuttle drills. It seems like AH is making the effort to get back and has changed his attitude somewhat, and i think Shanny should do the same. Let him practice, but just make him pass it by the end of camp.

Shanahan's did not just make up these terms just to spite Haynesworth. Any player who missed 50% of the workouts would have to be subject to this test. The thing is, only Haynesworth missed more than 50% of the workouts.

Shanahan also didn't force Haynesworth to run it again after his bathroom break episode, Ray Wright gave Albert the option of waiting until the next morning on Thursday, but Haynesworth wanted to take it again on Thursday, which seems to me means that Al also just wants to get back to football as well.

So, I don't think Shanahan and Haynesworth are even in conflict with each other.

[skinsfan_nn]

Jeff Fisher talks to Dan Patrick of SI today in reference to different conditioning programs and addresses Fat Al specifically.

DP Show Daily: Jeff Fisher explains why he's upset with Lane Kiffin - Dan Patrick.com


DP: What is the conditioning test that players keep failing? Is it different for specific teams?
JF: Yeah, it is different. Different clubs require different things when players report. We're doing the same thing that the Redskins do, based on some of the reports I read. The players come in, and they'll be required to run a 300-yard shuttle from the goal line to the 25-yard line and back. You do that six times, and you have a time in which you have to finish it, based on positions. For example, the skill guys will be right around 60 or 65 seconds. The bigger and the heavier they get, the more time you have to finish it. Then you have a rest and recovery period, and then you go out and you do it again. That particular test is something we've been doing for years. We have a baseline. The players are ready for it. They come in and it's not a big deal. We will allow players that have participated in a [good] percentage of the offseason program—say they make 80 percent of the workouts—they don't have to test, because we assume they're in good shape. But teams do different things. I remember some of the clubs I was with had the players run an 880. That's an interesting test, because when are you going to run an 880 on the football field? What happens there is that players start training for the 880, and they stop training for football and they start running in a straight line and around tracks. The day the 880 is over, you come out to practice and you pull hamstrings and groins, because you're not in football shape. There are all different types of tests that have taken place over the years.

DP: Could you pass the conditioning test today?
JF: Absolutely. I need a little bit more time.

DP: What happened to Albert Haynesworth's desire?
JF: It's hard to say. Albert had some productive years here. He had some difficulty early in his career adjusting. He did not make an adequate commitment to our offseason program early in his career. As he matured and came on and became a better teammate, he understood it, he had fun and he enjoyed working here. I can't comment on [what happened in Washington]. Only those that were a part of [the Redskins'] locker room or that organization know what happened last year. Certainly, he's off to a rough start this year.