Haynesworth fails conditioning test

Monkeydad · 07-30-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I honestly think I could do it with ease. I'm gonna leigtamtley try this weekend just to see how hard it really is... then again, I am about 120 pounds less than he is.

120 pounds less than Haynesworth still sounds overweight.

Gmanc711 · 07-30-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

120 pounds less than Haynesworth still sounds overweight.

Ha, trust me it is. I did just drop 15 though, so I'm working on it lol.

mlmpetert · 07-30-2010, 03:45 PM

I couldn’t be more behind what Shanahan is doing. Im cool with players doing their offseason conditioning at home or in their college city or wherever, except when you have a new coach or regime coming. If Al’s most important thing was winning he would have been at the Park for all the workouts voluntary or not.

I am a guy that is cool with taking chances on players. I like taking the chance with Larry Johnson. I would say let’s bring Shawn Andrews into camp. Santinio Holmes for a 5th rounder, sure. Mike Vick (last year), yeah let’s give him a chance. Even Tony “never have I ever had sex with my sister” Washington, hey we all make mistakes. My point is you cant have malcontents on your team if youre gonna let them police themselves. You cant be laissez-faire with guys that have the chance to be disruptive. Even if you side with Al on him not thinking we would switch to the 3-4 (I partially do) you cant let him walk all over you and your team. Not just to put him in line but to keep everyone else in line. Al made his point clear to the coaching staff AND the players. Now Shanahan is doing the same, and at the end of the day Al will be a better player for it as will the team. Unless he quits but that could ruin his career and he could lose money, so I doubt that happens.

Also everyone was there for at least 50% of the workouts and team togather averaged over 90% complete attendance. Shanahan apparently said if youre not here for 50% of activates there will be a test. What is he supposed to do back out on his word? Blow off everyone who worked hard at the Park because Al gets paid more? Not hold players accountable or have standards when you insist on private conditioning when there are major changes at the helm taking place?

I played JV football for 1 year (then found funner things to do after school) and our QB kept fumbling the snap in practice, again and again. Our coach said if you fumble one more time youre running for the rest of practice. Our qb fumbled the next play, so he took off running. About 10 minutes later our coach said you can stop and return to practice. Guess what. The OB kept fumbling. If you say something you stick to your guns. I hope Sanny does in this case.

skinsfan_nn · 07-30-2010, 08:17 PM

Jeff Fisher talks to Dan Patrick of SI today in reference to different conditioning programs and addresses Fat Al specifically.

DP Show Daily: Jeff Fisher explains why he's upset with Lane Kiffin - Dan Patrick.com

DP: What is the conditioning test that players keep failing? Is it different for specific teams?
JF: Yeah, it is different. Different clubs require different things when players report. We're doing the same thing that the Redskins do, based on some of the reports I read. The players come in, and they'll be required to run a 300-yard shuttle from the goal line to the 25-yard line and back. You do that six times, and you have a time in which you have to finish it, based on positions. For example, the skill guys will be right around 60 or 65 seconds. The bigger and the heavier they get, the more time you have to finish it. Then you have a rest and recovery period, and then you go out and you do it again. That particular test is something we've been doing for years. We have a baseline. The players are ready for it. They come in and it's not a big deal. We will allow players that have participated in a [good] percentage of the offseason program—say they make 80 percent of the workouts—they don't have to test, because we assume they're in good shape. But teams do different things. I remember some of the clubs I was with had the players run an 880. That's an interesting test, because when are you going to run an 880 on the football field? What happens there is that players start training for the 880, and they stop training for football and they start running in a straight line and around tracks. The day the 880 is over, you come out to practice and you pull hamstrings and groins, because you're not in football shape. There are all different types of tests that have taken place over the years.

DP: Could you pass the conditioning test today?
JF: Absolutely. I need a little bit more time.

DP: What happened to Albert Haynesworth's desire?
JF: It's hard to say. Albert had some productive years here. He had some difficulty early in his career adjusting. He did not make an adequate commitment to our offseason program early in his career. As he matured and came on and became a better teammate, he understood it, he had fun and he enjoyed working here. I can't comment on [what happened in Washington]. Only those that were a part of [the Redskins'] locker room or that organization know what happened last year. Certainly, he's off to a rough start this year.

ethat001 · 07-31-2010, 12:43 AM

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Video of a 300 yard shuttle (done in 60 seconds)
YouTube - Conditioning- 300 yd shuttle (25 yds x 12)

Doesn't look that bad to me, the guy looks like he was jogging. I guess the hard part is the starting and stopping, so you have to do it with 25 yards x 6 round trips. The treadmill wouldn't be the same test.

[disclaimer: got this link from extremeskins]

Kindoy · 07-31-2010, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ethat001

Doesn't look that bad to me, the guy looks like he was jogging. I guess the hard part is the starting and stopping, so you have to do it with 25 yards x 6 round trips. The treadmill wouldn't be the same test.

[disclaimer: got this link from extremeskins]

we just don't know Al's time limit (or atleast i don't)

Dirtbag59 · 07-31-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ethat001

Doesn't look that bad to me, the guy looks like he was jogging. I guess the hard part is the starting and stopping, so you have to do it with 25 yards x 6 round trips. The treadmill wouldn't be the same test.

[disclaimer: got this link from extremeskins]

That doesn't look hard at all. An in shape athlete should be able to pass this no problem. Wonder if Haynesworth trainer was more focused on making his client look good on the beach rather then getting him ready to play football. Either way this seems like an equivalent of being able to run a mile in 10 minutes or less (7 minutes here lol).

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Originally Posted by Kindoy

we just don't know Al's time limit (or atleast i don't)

70 Seconds

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ASHBURN - Early yesterday morning, the cones were lined up 25 yards apart on the field for Albert Haynesworth's conditioning test. He needed to complete the first part in 70 seconds or less to have a chance to pass.

Kindoy · 07-31-2010, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

That doesn't look hard at all. An in shape athlete should be able to pass this no problem. Wonder if Haynesworth trainer was more focused on making his client look good on the beach rather then getting him ready to play football. Either way this seems like an equivalent of being able to run a mile in 10 minutes or less (7 minutes here lol).

70 Seconds

thanks. and just to play the devil's advocate here.. we don't REALLY know how far the cones were apart from eachother in that vid. but it should only take him like 4 seconds each way with about a second in between each sprint to change direction... and according to my calculations thats more or less give some take some roughly about 1 minute. so yeah... he shoulda been able to do it.... seems like some muscle went with those pounds

Dirtbag59 · 07-31-2010, 01:03 AM

This one has a two minute rest in between sets. Times of 55 seconds and 59 seconds.

CRedskinsRule · 07-31-2010, 08:01 AM

So when is todays "ADVENTURES IN CONDITIONING" taking place?

CRedskinsRule · 07-31-2010, 08:11 AM

Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.

GTripp0012 · 07-31-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.

I'm skeptical on how much lactic acid/soreness a pair of 300 yd shuttles would actually create, but Albert probably has been doing additional work in the teams' facility during practice hours, so that would explain the additional fatigue.

Player_HTTR · 07-31-2010, 10:03 AM

I don't remeber a day of rest after a PT test. And honestly a 3 mile run, 2 minutes of sit up, and pull-ups wasn't all that bad. The Air Force had it a little harder though with the stationary bike and all, they may have needed it.

Just joking, thanks to all for their service!

Lotus · 07-31-2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.

I have a hard time believing that AH was "resting." My guess is that the proper verb is "refusing." If so, expect a trade or suspension soon.

freddyg12 · 07-31-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just got my answer:
RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting.

I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.

I'm not sure what the latest wisdom is on what an athlete should do the 'day after' an event, because it's been a long time since I've trained for anything. But I'm under the impression from talking to people that its generally not a good idea to do nothing the day after a game, race, etc. unless you just ran a marathon. I've heard the term "active rest" mentioned a lot in recent years, the idea being that you jog, bike or run lightly to get the lactic acid out of your system.

Of course we don't know what "rest" means in this case, but it does sound like AH might be gettin over. He could be this year's Portis, I'm glad Shanny has stuck to his guns so far.

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07-30-2010, 03:45 PM	#3
mlmpetert Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Richmond Posts: 3,261	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test I couldn’t be more behind what Shanahan is doing. Im cool with players doing their offseason conditioning at home or in their college city or wherever, except when you have a new coach or regime coming. If Al’s most important thing was winning he would have been at the Park for all the workouts voluntary or not. I am a guy that is cool with taking chances on players. I like taking the chance with Larry Johnson. I would say let’s bring Shawn Andrews into camp. Santinio Holmes for a 5th rounder, sure. Mike Vick (last year), yeah let’s give him a chance. Even Tony “never have I ever had sex with my sister” Washington, hey we all make mistakes. My point is you cant have malcontents on your team if youre gonna let them police themselves. You cant be laissez-faire with guys that have the chance to be disruptive. Even if you side with Al on him not thinking we would switch to the 3-4 (I partially do) you cant let him walk all over you and your team. Not just to put him in line but to keep everyone else in line. Al made his point clear to the coaching staff AND the players. Now Shanahan is doing the same, and at the end of the day Al will be a better player for it as will the team. Unless he quits but that could ruin his career and he could lose money, so I doubt that happens. Also everyone was there for at least 50% of the workouts and team togather averaged over 90% complete attendance. Shanahan apparently said if youre not here for 50% of activates there will be a test. What is he supposed to do back out on his word? Blow off everyone who worked hard at the Park because Al gets paid more? Not hold players accountable or have standards when you insist on private conditioning when there are major changes at the helm taking place? I played JV football for 1 year (then found funner things to do after school) and our QB kept fumbling the snap in practice, again and again. Our coach said if you fumble one more time youre running for the rest of practice. Our qb fumbled the next play, so he took off running. About 10 minutes later our coach said you can stop and return to practice. Guess what. The OB kept fumbling. If you say something you stick to your guns. I hope Sanny does in this case. __________________ www.NRABannedGunsRaffle.org

07-30-2010, 08:17 PM	#4
skinsfan_nn Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Newport News,Virginia Age: 61 Posts: 4,495	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test Jeff Fisher talks to Dan Patrick of SI today in reference to different conditioning programs and addresses Fat Al specifically. DP Show Daily: Jeff Fisher explains why he's upset with Lane Kiffin - Dan Patrick.com DP: What is the conditioning test that players keep failing? Is it different for specific teams? JF: Yeah, it is different. Different clubs require different things when players report. We're doing the same thing that the Redskins do, based on some of the reports I read. The players come in, and they'll be required to run a 300-yard shuttle from the goal line to the 25-yard line and back. You do that six times, and you have a time in which you have to finish it, based on positions. For example, the skill guys will be right around 60 or 65 seconds. The bigger and the heavier they get, the more time you have to finish it. Then you have a rest and recovery period, and then you go out and you do it again. That particular test is something we've been doing for years. We have a baseline. The players are ready for it. They come in and it's not a big deal. We will allow players that have participated in a [good] percentage of the offseason program—say they make 80 percent of the workouts—they don't have to test, because we assume they're in good shape. But teams do different things. I remember some of the clubs I was with had the players run an 880. That's an interesting test, because when are you going to run an 880 on the football field? What happens there is that players start training for the 880, and they stop training for football and they start running in a straight line and around tracks. The day the 880 is over, you come out to practice and you pull hamstrings and groins, because you're not in football shape. There are all different types of tests that have taken place over the years. DP: Could you pass the conditioning test today? JF: Absolutely. I need a little bit more time. DP: What happened to Albert Haynesworth's desire? JF: It's hard to say. Albert had some productive years here. He had some difficulty early in his career adjusting. He did not make an adequate commitment to our offseason program early in his career. As he matured and came on and became a better teammate, he understood it, he had fun and he enjoyed working here. I can't comment on [what happened in Washington]. Only those that were a part of [the Redskins'] locker room or that organization know what happened last year. Certainly, he's off to a rough start this year. __________________ "There's no greater feeling than moving a man from Point A to Point B, against his will." #68 THANKS COACH GIBBS FOR EVERYTHING! YOUR THE MAN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!

07-31-2010, 01:03 AM	#9
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07-31-2010, 10:03 AM	#13
Player_HTTR Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 328	Re: Haynesworth fails conditioning test I don't remeber a day of rest after a PT test. And honestly a 3 mile run, 2 minutes of sit up, and pull-ups wasn't all that bad. The Air Force had it a little harder though with the stationary bike and all, they may have needed it. Just joking, thanks to all for their service!

07-31-2010, 08:01 AM	#10
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,744	So when is todays "ADVENTURES IN CONDITIONING" taking place?

07-31-2010, 08:11 AM	#11
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,744	Just got my answer: RT @Rich_Campbell I'm hearing that Albert Haynesworth did not run this morning. Apparently he's resting. I think this is a good choice. After military PT tests there was a day to recuperate for your body, and in the football season, the day after the game is usually a recuperate type day.

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