Start John Beck Madness Thread

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Matty, You felt the same way about the Campbell threads too. But it turned out most people were right about him. He stinks. And it didn't take you long to fall in love with DM. altho that didn't go well either.

How the heck is any Redskins fan willing to put up with that crap again (Grossmans play) without at least saying something about it? I know it has been a long time but have some people actually forgot what it takes to win?

I know, I know 3-1...

Who would you rather have, JC or Grossman/Beck?

I know you don't want to hear it, but at the end of the day yeah, 3-1.

Not much else matters after that.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Who would you rather have, JC or Grossman/Beck?

I know you don't want to hear it, but at the end of the day yeah, 3-1.

Not much else matters after that.

At this point Grossman is the safest bet but knowing we need better, I would not mind seeing Beck "IF" Grossman flops on the Eagles.

I want Groosman to succeed. I really do. I want to win. And not just break 8-8. I want to go into the playoffs. If Grossman can get a grip, I think we have the team to do it. What do you think?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 44ever

At this point Grossman is the safest bet but knowing we need better, I would not mind seeing Beck "IF" Grossman flops on the Eagles.

I want Groosman to succeed. I really do. I want to win. And not just break 8-8. I want to go into the playoffs. If Grossman can get a grip, I think we have the team to do it. What do you think?

I don't know what he thinks, but I'll tell you what I think...
YOU know as do I this team is headed in the right direction, and for one of the few times in the last 20 years....respectable. At times and in some ways even...dominant.
YOU know as do I nobody, especially the coaches believe the QB answer to this team is on our current roster. The fact is they just could not get in all done in one year. We are rebuilding. We are building for the future and not just for a one year run but to be a serious contender year after year.
YOU know this is what you want as do I but it will take a little time and patience. I for one am ecstatic with the team and the results thus far.
I LOVE what they are doing and who they are doing it with. CANNOT wait to see the next set of personnel moves.......HTTR

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Matty, You felt the same way about the Campbell threads too. But it turned out most people were right about him. He stinks. And it didn't take you long to fall in love with DM. altho that didn't go well either.

How the heck is any Redskins fan willing to put up with that crap again (Grossmans play) without at least saying something about it? I know it has been a long time but have some people actually forgot what it takes to win?

I know, I know 3-1...

So the people that are complaining about Grossman and are asking for Beck, think that there are Redskins fans who don't know that Grossman stinks? I don't get this argument and I don't get people getting all worked up about Grossman. We all know what we were getting from Grossman. We just need him not to f*ck up too much so the team can win, that's it. And unfortunately there will be times that he will f*ck up to the point that we lose. But guess what, the same will happen if Beck were to take over.

That's what happens when u are rebuilding, you got to tough it out while you get the right personnel. If there is a better option at QB, it is not within the Redskins roster right now, period. I think the attitude of the people that don't want a QB change is more like "why bother?"

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

So the people that are complaining about Grossman and are asking for Beck, think that there are Redskins fans who don't know that Grossman stinks? I don't get this argument and I don't get people getting all worked up about Grossman. We all know what we were getting from Grossman. We just need him not to f*ck up too much so the team can win, that's it. And unfortunately there will be times that he will f*ck up to the point that we lose. But guess what, the same will happen if Beck were to take over.

That's what happens when u are rebuilding, you got to tough it out while you get the right personnel. If there is a better option at QB, it is not within the Redskins roster right now, period. I think the attitude of the people that don't want a QB change is more like "why bother?"

You know what Ruh, I think the fact that there was a "QB competition" during preseason is what has us Beck guys curious. Now if it was all BS then I guess our only choice is Grossman at this time and I understand the rest of the story on rebuilding. But, if the coaches really did see something in Beck, and Grossman continues to make mistakes, then I wouldn't mind seeing what it is that Beck has to offer while we are rebuilding.

At the same time I said at the beginning of the season "If Grossman is the starter then he should stay the starter" for team continuity reasons only. But, now that I have seen the level of play the Skins are capable of I feel Grossman can actually hinder the development if he continues to play so sloppy.

At the same time a QB change mid season can spell disaster so thats why I say Grossman is the safest bet. But odds are Beck can play at a higher level than Grossman has thus far and a change (if one is to be made) sooner than later would be better.

We are 3-1 because our team has done exactly what you said, played well enough to compensate for Grossmans mistakes.

The team had a new attitude coming into this season, TH actually thinks they will make the SB. Does Grossman have what it takes to keep the Skins believing in themselves?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 44ever

You know what Ruh, I think the fact that there was a "QB competition" during preseason is what has us Beck guys curious. Now if it was all BS then I guess our only choice is Grossman at this time and I understand the rest of the story on rebuilding. But, if the coaches really did see something in Beck, and Grossman continues to make mistakes, then I wouldn't mind seeing what it is that Beck has to offer while we are rebuilding.

At the same time I said at the beginning of the season "If Grossman is the starter then he should stay the starter" for team continuity reasons only. But, now that I have seen the level of play the Skins are capable of I feel Grossman can actually hinder the development if he continues to play so sloppy.

At the same time a QB change mid season can spell disaster so thats why I say Grossman is the safest bet. But odds are Beck can play at a higher level than Grossman has thus far and a change (if one is to be made) sooner than later would be better.

We are 3-1 because our team has done exactly what you said, played well enough to compensate for Grossmans mistakes.

The team had a new attitude coming into this season, TH actually thinks they will make the SB. Does Grossman have what it takes to keep the Skins believing in themselves?

I'm the opposite. I was a Beck supporter throughout the offseason and early preseason. But what I saw about Beck in the preseason frightened me. Now I am content to curse Wrecks without calling for a change at QB.

[Landry44]

It doesn't matter if we bench him or not. Both he and Beck are stop gap players. They are not the future of this team.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by Landry44

It doesn't matter if we bench him or not. Both he and Beck are stop gap players. They are not the future of this team.

I agree so why make the change? Its not going to make a huge difference and a QB change is going to upset one of the most important things we have going to far this season which is stability!

[Chico23231]

I think Rex is being hurt alot by average WR play and bad play calling. I know people gonna hatte to hear it again, but we need to get the ball downfield. Id like to see Hankerson get an activation after the bye. Austin and Paul have been disappointing in the pass game. Austin really disappointing. Dont get me started on Stallworth.

[Hog1]

Poor receivers, play calling notwithstanding, Rex has more fundamental challenges. Rex must secure the ball better in critical game situations....or change his name to....Rex Romo. Resist the allure of forcing the ball into coverage. He is getting away with some. He makes foolish decisions at times.
These have been career challenges for him and if he wants to shake that rep....change. For him to succeed, he will need to be conservative, precise and TOTALLY playing within his game ability.
AND BTW before the hate chanting begins. Good Rex is pretty good! Bad Rex needs to go away.

[hooskins]

I think their system, overall coaching, team mentality, attitude and cohesion does. Pure talent isn't enough to win. Ex. Eagles, Red Sox, Cubs, Heat.....

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I think their system, overall coaching, team mentality, attitude and cohesion does. Pure talent isn't enough to win. Ex. Eagles, Red Sox, Cubs, Heat.....

I would agree with you on every one of those fronts, and still wouldn't have the audacity to claim that you could plug any QB into that system, and achieve the same mark.

[irish]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I would agree with you on every one of those fronts, and still wouldn't have the audacity to claim that you could plug any QB into that system, and achieve the same mark.

If you mean passing yards and TD totals then I do agree, not any QB could produce those numbers for NE. But like a lot of Redskins fans you seem to be stuck on meaningless passing, rushing, defense, etc, numbers. The only numbers that count are 3-1 (for both the Skins and NE) and in that case yes, I think NE could plug any QB in and the team would be 3-1.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by irish

If you mean passing yards and TD totals then I do agree, not any QB could produce those numbers for NE. But like a lot of Redskins fans you seem to be stuck on meaningless passing, rushing, defense, etc, numbers. The only numbers that count are 3-1 (for both the Skins and NE) and in that case yes, I think NE could plug any QB in and the team would be 3-1.

That's where we differ then. I'd rather see everything functioning in concert for sustained success. Much like NE has had for the past decade. And you are clearly more enamored with what is a tenuous 3-1 start to our season. That being winning one game by 1 point, losing one game without allowing a TD, and winning another game by 7 points to a defense that ranks 26th who were out scored by 18 against Philly, 12 against the Giants, and 30 facing Baltimore. I have a feeling you'll have a change of heart if those "meaningless" numbers begin to reflect, and accumulate in the loss column.

[irish]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

That's where we differ then. I'd rather see everything functioning in concert for sustained success. Much like NE has had for the past decade. And you are clearly more enamored with what is a tenuous 3-1 start to our season. That being winning one game by 1 point, losing one game without allowing a TD, and winning another game by 7 points to a defense that ranks 26th who were out scored by 18 against Philly, 12 against the Giants, and 30 facing Baltimore. I have a feeling you'll have a change of heart if those "meaningless" numbers begin to reflect, and accumulate in the loss column.

A tenuous 3-1 start, that's one of the funniest things I've heard in a long time. 3-1 is 3-1 no matter how it happened. The NFL is a week to week league and all they can do is beat that week's opponent. Once that game is over its over and on to the next game. Win by 1 win by 40 it doesnt matter in the NFL because of how tough it is to win games. If this team averages 20 yards rushing per game and 50 yds passing for the season and finishes 11-5 I will consider them to have had sustained success.