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[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The biggest problem I have is why arent other countries seeing this huge problem, amassing an army and doing something about these cray cray isis cats. Do they support it?

IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.

This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

IS is following the fundamental tenants of Islam and passages directly from the Qur'an. If the government of any of the predominately Muslim countries stands officially against IS, they put themselves in the position of 40-50% of their population turning against them and becoming the next target for the fundamental Islamists.
This won't happen with the weakest foreign policy President in the 20th-21st centuries, however what needs to be done is for the POTUS to go to Congress and obtain a declaration of war on any groups which openly have declared war/jihad on the U.S. or are involved in genocide. Once obtained, use Spec Ops and drone strikes to wipe these animals out whenever they raise their f-ing murderous heads.

If different factions of Islam want to fight amongst themselves, fine. But when groups like IS are flat our murdering/beheading innocents time to step in with extreme deadly force to deter the pieces of $hit from doing this stuff. No massive 100K of troops sitting in the sand as targets, change the rules of engagement and let the military serve its purpose....to kill bad guys and destroy stuff.

These animals see the reluctance of the U.S. to act and we're the only force that can stop this evil. Time to wake up....or it's just a matter of time before this cancer spreads throughout Europe, through SE Asia and within the next century possibly to North and South America.

That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it.

We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.

This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

That is not an excuse, so you saying 40-50% support what isis is doing if they arent against it.

Agree 100% this is no excuse for Mid East regional gov'ts to stand by and do nothing. Unfortunately the leaders/rulers of these countries are fat and happy with the status quo and don't want IS types coming to behead them. They certainly aren't going to risk their lives/money over a bunch of Christians...and quite frankly there are many that flat out support IS philosophically and financially.

Based on pols conducted of people in the Mid East about 40-50% have to support IS's actions. They're following the Qur'an and implementing real Sharia law. Based on Pew Research polls in the Mid East in 2013 the following percentages favored Sharia as the "law of the land".
Pakistan - 84%
Afghanistan - 99%
Iraq - 91%
Egypt - 74%
Jordan - 71%

Keep in mind IS's actions toward non-Muslims of convert, leave, accept dhimmitude, or die, is part of Sharia law.

We need to start bottomlining some things to Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iraq.

Again agree 100%, no $$$, military support, etc. unless Human Rights start to get cleaned up. Unfortunately for us, we're nowhere near on our way to energy independence (thanks to Obama and the left) and the Saudis would respond by either cuting-off or jacking up prices on our oil supply. The U.S. public has no stomach for that, hence politicians won't take that risk.

This is flat out genocide...so Muslim support genocide?

Anti-Christian genocide by Muslim's is not new, this has been going on since the beginnings of Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam-101

Problem is anyone who brings this stuff up (any time outside of beheading videos being posted or 9/11) is labeled an Islamophobe and a hate filled, far right-wing war monger.

[Chico23231]

honestly the video yesterday of the journalist beheading made me recall that anger i havent felt since 9/11. I havent felt that in a long time. Alot of anger towards the middle east, isis, and quite frankly the way we've handled this threat since it began 3-4 months ago. I really hate these terriosts. I kinda feel like burning isis flags in the streets

[Chico23231]

If im that British terrorist im shitting my pants, because we are coming for him. And because he was british, that motivates our friends across the pond. I think they gonna want some too; I say lets get to it

[NC_Skins]

U.S. military announces 14 airstrikes in Iraq following James Foley execution - The Washington Post


I guess the US is going to put these assholes in check.

[tshile]

My problem is the way Israel behaves when they're not fighting.

People seem to ignore (or at least I don't hear them ever mention it) what it is that makes Hamas behave the way it does. Israel has pushed them into a corner and has complete control over what enters and exist their land and has done a lot to create this situation.

Which is not to excuse what Hamas does, it just seems like the two sides spend an awful lot of time condemning each other and completely ignoring their own role in things. The problems do not solely exist when they're shooting each other or launching rockets - the problems exist every day of every year for quite a long time.

[That Guy]

SS, it's really funny that you're defending a state founded on a terrorist bombing campaign and don't understand why the people that were made homeless/landless when the brits pulled out (after the americans decided to give away their land without bothering to talk to them) might be a little peeved...

not that hamas/plo/etc etc are in any way blameless, but they aren't exactly well treated 1st first world citizens in the tiny plot of land they've been relegated to.

[CRedskinsRule]

And yet you still have not said how many deaths and wounded each on the two sides in the past 2 months of this onslaught. You spout us/Israeli lines like they are manna from heaven but the reality on the ground is that thousands of Palestinians have been wounded maimed and killed in these past weeks. If you think that they should just up and leave their homes and go to Egypt that is the height naivety. If your home was attacked would you just up and leave or would you support those who are fighting to protect it.
Why should they accept Israels right to exist? I ask in all seriousness. Did it exist before the UN decreed it? Was there a referendum of the local councils where all parties had an even stake and state and national borders were agreed to in advance? Or has the Palestinian land slowly been shrunk as Israeli control grew?

Would Israel exist as a natural state if the us withdrew its support and allowed boundaries to be re-established based on pre 1947 history?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Why should they accept Israels right to exist? I ask in all seriousness. Did it exist before the UN decreed it?

Yes it did.

Was there a referendum of the local councils where all parties had an even stake and state and national borders were agreed to in advance?

No, Israel was mandated by the UN in 1947.

Or has the Palestinian land slowly been shrunk as Israeli control grew?

Would Israel exist as a natural state if the us withdrew its support and allowed boundaries to be re-established based on pre 1947 history?

Invalid question, but based on its military strength probably yes.
In 1995 Israel and the PLO reached the Oslo II agreements and resolved a majority of past issues of conflict. Enter Hamas in 1996 and things begin to devolve.

My issue (and Israel's and many of the Palestinian people's) is with Hamas, an Islamist terrorist group. The blood of innocent civilians in Gaza is on Hamas' hands, not Israel's

[That Guy]

part of the problem is that the previous US interventions have caused some of the current problems too.

the US and brits knocked over a democracy in iran in the 50s and installed a dictator that was willing to abuse human rights and suppress opposition and stay in power (and we supported him, where's the outrage over that, or US "pay for toture" black sites?). he got overthrown, guy we didn't like came to power (though if we stayed out in the 50s, this probably wouldn't be the case).

fast forward, being afraid of iran's growing power, we decided to give saddam billions in weapons and military command and control systems to help keep them in check. also supporting another dictator that wasn't afraid to commit genocide on his own people.

fast forward again, we spent a LOT more money removing those weapons and systems to put a sectarian leader in place that spent a lot of time removing sunni voices from power... and now you've got an ISIS army formed in syria's war that's gained a lot of traction due to Nouri al-Maliki's actions.

it's kind of like 2 steps forward, 3 steps back. and every time americans hit the ground, jihadii's from far and wide start flooding in to get their shots off. we're like a magnet for chaos. and we're doing it with your kids money too, cause none of this has been paid for yet.

[That Guy]

you know smart bombs are only smart 40-60% of the time right?

despite the popular misconception, "smart" weapons miss all the time. like when we had 300+ taliban prisoners in afghanistan that broke lose and were hiding in a single building inside a palace (old fortress) compound. 6 airstrikes later, their single building was fine, but we managed to blow up a kurdish tank and a bunch of kurds in the attempt.

Battle of Qala-i-Jangi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


there are literally a million other examples. in armed conflicts, the wrong people get dead quite regularly. bad intel, miscommunication, ordinance landing off target. s#$% happens.


also if you had done any research, you'd know that egypt closed their border with palestine for over a year, and before that it was only open for 4 hours a day and only letting in 500-1000 a day max. so that's not a valid option.

[Chico23231]

kinda shocked how people are anti israel in this latest escalation. Hamas senior official just yesterday confirmed that someone in their orgainization kidnapped these 3 boys and killed them. thats what started this whole thing. Its Hamas's contining inability to hold their own accountable and bring them to justice when they break obvious laws that perpetuates this stuff. Yeah but go ahead and blame the israel

[CRedskinsRule]

3 dead equals justification for wholesale destruction, since SS33 doesn't want to seem to put up the numbers here are the latest reports (I doubt they are exact, but the enormity of the scale is clearly represented).
Gaza residents dead 2050+, 550+ of whom are children, approx 350 women and seniors.(Come on, Grampa you should have moved your wheelchair faster). So if as SS33 proclaims, these are super accurate missiles, only hitting the targets of Israeli vengeance, then Israel has purposefully killed nearly 900 non combatants in response to 3 dead teens. I think the world should be outraged.

As for Israeli deaths in that same time, including the 3 above, less than 64 soldiers and 6 civilians. No reported attacks have come through the "terror tunnels".

images are graphic, and not suitable for work, or really for any civilized nation to abide by:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gaza...w=1067&bih=511

Not to mention reportedly 2Billion dollars worth of infrastructure damage, that will take 3-5 years or more to rebuild, just so Israel can destroy it again, as it has done twice this century already.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

3 dead equals justification for wholesale destruction, since SS33 doesn't want to seem to put up the numbers here are the latest reports (I doubt they are exact, but the enormity of the scale is clearly represented).
Gaza residents dead 2050+, 550+ of whom are children, approx 350 women and seniors.(Come on, Grampa you should have moved your wheelchair faster). So if as SS33 proclaims, these are super accurate missiles, only hitting the targets of Israeli vengeance, then Israel has purposefully killed nearly 900 non combatants in response to 3 dead teens. I think the world should be outraged.

As for Israeli deaths in that same time, including the 3 above, less than 64 soldiers and 6 civilians. No reported attacks have come through the "terror tunnels".

images are graphic, and not suitable for work, or really for any civilized nation to abide by:
https://www.google.com/search?q=gaza...w=1067&bih=511

Not to mention reportedly 2Billion dollars worth of infrastructure damage, that will take 3-5 years or more to rebuild, just so Israel can destroy it again, as it has done twice this century already.

What about the illegal tunnels dug into israel to transport terriost, weapons, etc? Not to mention the rocket attacks which routinely break ceasefire.

Its the principal of accountability. You know what Hamas should have done was arrest the kidnap (cough, killers) hand them over for a proper trial. All this could have been avoided.

Hamas could have said no we are not in the business of killing children for political gain.

Sorry, there is no excuse.