Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wish we could revisit what everyone's expectations were back when camp opened. I thought we were talking like .500 at best?

Not me. I said 5-6 wins and I stand by that.

[That Guy]

still, i figured a 7-9ish season just due to breakining a rookie QB and the terrible secondary. being at 4-5 after next week would be right on track... so i guess that's why i'm and surprised with all the fire and brimstone stuff.

looks like it's a very small minority though.

I'd probably go for another year. there's no gaurantee you'll get anyone better, and we've been down that path quite a bit already, so i'd rather make sure before upheaving the entire team again with unknown results.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't get why the New Coach thread got locked, but I just read through it a moment ago and was pretty surprised Jack Del Rio wasn't mentioned.

Because I created it for you and you didn't post there and many of the responses were idiotic. Wasn't worth it

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Angry

I do not know about anyone else, but I was under the impression that everyone understood that while we brought in Garcon and Morgan that it would not be the end all to WR woes. Quantity never compensates for quality and I thought it was very apparent that those additions (save Garcon) would more than likely be a band aid until the position could be addressed through the draft or with better FA's. At the same time I do not blame them for our losses, but they did play a big part today.

The rest of the losses are due to a vulnerable defense that has been hampered by injuries and a suspension. Even with how bad the defense is the team is still contending. I think that you may have had unrealistic expectations comming into this season. They might have been realistic if we had our starting safties, Orakpo and Carriker. I am pleasantly supprised that they have done this well. I am sorry that they haven't been good enough for you.

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The situation with Garcon kinda reminds me of Andre Carters first year here. I remember people tossing him under the bus and calling him a bum, all before even giving him a fair shot. Difference now with Garcon is injury, gotta at least give the guy a fair shot on the field before writing him off.

I know some don't want to hear the "injury excuse", but it's starting to pile up in a pretty real way. Helu, Orakpo, Carriker, Garcon, Davis, those 5 represent significant losses when you're talking potential difference makers.

Ok then, let's get into it. The Packers won the frikkin Superbowl with something like a third of the roster on IR or seriously banged up. The Superbowl. Muff said. I already covered the Pats w/ Cassell and we're just hours past a game we lost to team missing as much "starter talent" as we have. Any adult, and lots of kids, who follow the game could work up a list of a dozen really, really banged up teams that went to the playoffs etc.

Mike can't get us above .500 in a season, and we're trending downward, both offensively and defensively, week by week.

And I can't let the Garcon "thing" go either. Unless you expect him to significantly outperfrom his best season (played w/ Peyton Manning for 4 years), he's just not going to make much of a difference. He'll replace Moss in production eventually, but I suspect never top Moss' best two or three seasons.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Because I created it for you and you didn't post there and many of the responses were idiotic. Wasn't worth it

There were some good names thrown in the hat, and I guess I was hoping discussion of them on an individual basis would follow. But whatevs, we'll have lots of those threads toward end of the season and beyond.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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It was no secret that Hankerson had problems with the hands comming out of college, but he was still very productive. They thought that they could develop him and it is still possible. I would still make the move on Garcon today given everything that I know. I thought that Morgan was going to be camp fodder and shouldn't have be signed for as much. Honestly, I thought that we had 2 other WR's in camp better than Morgan (Armstrong and what's his name?), but I do not work with the team everyday. I thought and still think that Garcon can replace Moss, but I do not have confidence in anyone else besides Moss being Moss.

Morgan is the only player where I feel that they definately should not have done or could have done better.

[MTK]

Jack Del Rio?

Really?

[CultBrennan59]

I'd take Russ Grimm, Ray Horton, Kevin Greene, and Marc Trestman before I took Del Rio. He never did anything impressive in Jacksonville in his many years there.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Angry

It was no secret that Hankerson had problems with the hands comming out of college, but he was still very productive. They thought that they could develop him and it is still possible. I would still make the move on Garcon today given everything that I know. I thought that Morgan was going to be camp fodder and shouldn't have be signed for as much. Honestly, I thought that we had 2 other WR's in camp better than Morgan (Armstrong and what's his name?), but I do not work with the team everyday. I thought and still think that Garcon can replace Moss, but I do not have confidence in anyone else besides Moss being Moss.

Morgan is the only player where I feel that they definately should not have done or could have done better.

I liked Armstrong too. Is whats his name Terrance Austin? I agree with you that the wr's need to be adressed still and with your takes on all those guys. I think that the team thought it was a done deal though. I dont really sweat the wr's because regardless of todays cluster **** our offense has been a mild surprise to say the least.


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[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I liked Armstrong too. Is whats his name Terrance Austin? I agree with you that the wr's need to be adressed still and with your takes on all those guys. I think that the team thought it was a done deal though. I dont really sweat the wr's because regardless of todays cluster **** our offense has been a mild surprise to say the least.


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Yes, that was him.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I wish we could revisit what everyone's expectations were back when camp opened. I thought we were talking like .500 at best?

I was thinking .500, and maayyyyybe a winning record if the defense was solid. We know how that's turning out, but I'm thinking at this point we'll probably be slightly below .500. Best case scenario for me right now is .500, but I think we'll end up 7-9 or 6-10 probably. And I'm ok with that, because that's pretty close to what I envisioned going into the season. The only difference was I thought we would be around .500 because it would take RG3 time to adjust, I didn't envision this defensive collapse. Next year if the offense can keep performing at this level, and the defense becomes solid, we can definitely contend for a playoff spot. I just hope RG3 doesn't have the collapse that Cam is having this year.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok then, let's get into it. The Packers won the frikkin Superbowl with something like a third of the roster on IR or seriously banged up. The Superbowl. Muff said. I already covered the Pats w/ Cassell and we're just hours past a game we lost to team missing as much "starter talent" as we have. Any adult, and lots of kids, who follow the game could work up a list of a dozen really, really banged up teams that went to the playoffs etc.

Mike can't get us above .500 in a season, and we're trending downward, both offensively and defensively, week by week.

And I can't let the Garcon "thing" go either. Unless you expect him to significantly outperfrom his best season (played w/ Peyton Manning for 4 years), he's just not going to make much of a difference. He'll replace Moss in production eventually, but I suspect never top Moss' best two or three seasons.

You are literally the only person who believes our offense is trending downward. I mean seriously. You're the only person who thinks everything the offense does, turnovers, w/e, is the fault of the coordinators for calling the wrong plays. It's f'n asinine.

And the hilarious thing is Garcon had his best season as a pro with Dan Orlovsky and that other scrub they had at qb last year, not with Peyton.

[irish]

This team has major injuries on defense and outside of RG3 they really dont have much talent at all on offense. I'm surprised at how good they have looked at times considering how little talent this team has. Shanny can stay cause he isnt the problem.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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Hank, imo, has been borderline disappointment. He doesnt play fast enough and when he does he drops it. Robinson and Briscoe have done zilch this year. Garcon injuried all year and Morgan is a decent no. 2. Moss is almost done. I dont think WR is squared away at all, in fact its been a major disappointment. Garcon should just IR at this point.