Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[MTK]

The situation with Garcon kinda reminds me of Andre Carters first year here. I remember people tossing him under the bus and calling him a bum, all before even giving him a fair shot. Difference now with Garcon is injury, gotta at least give the guy a fair shot on the field before writing him off.

I know some don't want to hear the "injury excuse", but it's starting to pile up in a pretty real way. Helu, Orakpo, Carriker, Garcon, Davis, those 5 represent significant losses when you're talking potential difference makers.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The situation with Garcon kinda reminds me of Andre Carters first year here. I remember people tossing him under the bus and calling him a bum, all before even giving him a fair shot. Difference is now with Garcon is injury, gotta at least give the guy a fair shot on the field before writing him off.

I know some don't want to hear the "injury excuse", but it's starting to pile up in a pretty real way. Helu, Orakpo, Carriker, Garcon, Davis, those 5 represent significant losses when you're talking potential difference makers.

I am not down on Garcon by any means. In the one game that he was healthy he lit it up. The staff tries to compensate for injuries with depth, but with the amount that we have had it is a tall order to expect much more out of the team. Even with those injuries the team is competing. I cannot get down on them...we have all seen much worse with healthy teams.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Angry

I am not down on Garcon by any means. In the one game that he was healthy he lit it up. The staff tries to compensate for injuries with depth, but with the amount that we have had it is a tall order to expect much more out of the team. Even with those injuries the team is competing. I cannot get down on them...we have all seen much worse with healthy teams.

I hear ya, I just know some are down and out on Garcon without giving him a fair shake is all. I think when healthy he could really solidify our WR corps. He and Griffin seemed to be building on something before he got hurt.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The situation with Garcon kinda reminds me of Andre Carters first year here. I remember people tossing him under the bus and calling him a bum, all before even giving him a fair shot. Difference now with Garcon is injury, gotta at least give the guy a fair shot on the field before writing him off.

I know some don't want to hear the "injury excuse", but it's starting to pile up in a pretty real way. Helu, Orakpo, Carriker, Garcon, Davis, those 5 represent significant losses when you're talking potential difference makers.

Ok then, let's get into it. The Packers won the frikkin Superbowl with something like a third of the roster on IR or seriously banged up. The Superbowl. Muff said. I already covered the Pats w/ Cassell and we're just hours past a game we lost to team missing as much "starter talent" as we have. Any adult, and lots of kids, who follow the game could work up a list of a dozen really, really banged up teams that went to the playoffs etc.

Mike can't get us above .500 in a season, and we're trending downward, both offensively and defensively, week by week.

And I can't let the Garcon "thing" go either. Unless you expect him to significantly outperfrom his best season (played w/ Peyton Manning for 4 years), he's just not going to make much of a difference. He'll replace Moss in production eventually, but I suspect never top Moss' best two or three seasons.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Ok then, let's get into it. The Packers won the frikkin Superbowl with something like a third of the roster on IR or seriously banged up. The Superbowl. Muff said. I already covered the Pats w/ Cassell and we're just hours past a game we lost to team missing as much "starter talent" as we have. Any adult, and lots of kids, who follow the game could work up a list of a dozen really, really banged up teams that went to the playoffs etc.

Mike can't get us above .500 in a season, and we're trending downward, both offensively and defensively, week by week.

And I can't let the Garcon "thing" go either. Unless you expect him to significantly outperfrom his best season (played w/ Peyton Manning for 4 years), he's just not going to make much of a difference. He'll replace Moss in production eventually, but I suspect never top Moss' best two or three seasons.

You are literally the only person who believes our offense is trending downward. I mean seriously. You're the only person who thinks everything the offense does, turnovers, w/e, is the fault of the coordinators for calling the wrong plays. It's f'n asinine.

And the hilarious thing is Garcon had his best season as a pro with Dan Orlovsky and that other scrub they had at qb last year, not with Peyton.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by mooby

You are literally the only person who believes our offense is trending downward. I mean seriously. You're the only person who thinks everything the offense does, turnovers, w/e, is the fault of the coordinators for calling the wrong plays. It's f'n asinine.

And the hilarious thing is Garcon had his best season as a pro with Dan Orlovsky and that other scrub they had at qb last year, not with Peyton.

Have you not watched us the last three weeks? 38 points against Minnesota, and RG3 played out of his mind. Like arguably the best QB performance of the season. Then 23 points against NY. Then 12 points yesterday.

Do you not understand what trend means? Or is it the downward concept?

[The Goat]

I don't get why the New Coach thread got locked, but I just read through it a moment ago and was pretty surprised Jack Del Rio wasn't mentioned.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't get why the New Coach thread got locked, but I just read through it a moment ago and was pretty surprised Jack Del Rio wasn't mentioned.

Because I created it for you and you didn't post there and many of the responses were idiotic. Wasn't worth it

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Because I created it for you and you didn't post there and many of the responses were idiotic. Wasn't worth it

There were some good names thrown in the hat, and I guess I was hoping discussion of them on an individual basis would follow. But whatevs, we'll have lots of those threads toward end of the season and beyond.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Next week they win.... All RG III show.

If they dont than this talk today will just pale in comparison.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I don't get why the New Coach thread got locked, but I just read through it a moment ago and was pretty surprised Jack Del Rio wasn't mentioned.

Would looooooove him as a DC but im pretty sure Denver does too.


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[That Guy]

still, i figured a 7-9ish season just due to breakining a rookie QB and the terrible secondary. being at 4-5 after next week would be right on track... so i guess that's why i'm and surprised with all the fire and brimstone stuff.

looks like it's a very small minority though.

I'd probably go for another year. there's no gaurantee you'll get anyone better, and we've been down that path quite a bit already, so i'd rather make sure before upheaving the entire team again with unknown results.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Angry

I do not know about anyone else, but I was under the impression that everyone understood that while we brought in Garcon and Morgan that it would not be the end all to WR woes. Quantity never compensates for quality and I thought it was very apparent that those additions (save Garcon) would more than likely be a band aid until the position could be addressed through the draft or with better FA's. At the same time I do not blame them for our losses, but they did play a big part today.

The rest of the losses are due to a vulnerable defense that has been hampered by injuries and a suspension. Even with how bad the defense is the team is still contending. I think that you may have had unrealistic expectations comming into this season. They might have been realistic if we had our starting safties, Orakpo and Carriker. I am pleasantly supprised that they have done this well. I am sorry that they haven't been good enough for you.

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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It was no secret that Hankerson had problems with the hands comming out of college, but he was still very productive. They thought that they could develop him and it is still possible. I would still make the move on Garcon today given everything that I know. I thought that Morgan was going to be camp fodder and shouldn't have be signed for as much. Honestly, I thought that we had 2 other WR's in camp better than Morgan (Armstrong and what's his name?), but I do not work with the team everyday. I thought and still think that Garcon can replace Moss, but I do not have confidence in anyone else besides Moss being Moss.

Morgan is the only player where I feel that they definately should not have done or could have done better.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I really like everything you have to say - but we spent a high draft pick on Hank and alot of money on Garcon and Morgan. I was definitely under the impression that they thought they had that particular area squared away.


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Hank, imo, has been borderline disappointment. He doesnt play fast enough and when he does he drops it. Robinson and Briscoe have done zilch this year. Garcon injuried all year and Morgan is a decent no. 2. Moss is almost done. I dont think WR is squared away at all, in fact its been a major disappointment. Garcon should just IR at this point.