Obama Care

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

so if a doctor mis-treats one of your family, you don't want him to pay? they need to be held accountable

Reducing.....not eliminate. Multi-million awards throw a monkey wrench into the malpractice insurance formula (Schneed can give more detail than I, I'm sure). I also don't agree with the $ 250K number floated a few years back by Bush & crew, it should be higher. But there has to be a finite number that malpractice insurers can work their premiums to cover, otherwise that cost will continue to spiral upwards.

There also needs to be better enforcement of existing systems in place to identify and punish bad docs.

Cap Medical Malpractice, Not Malpractice Awards: Ann Woolner - Bloomberg.com

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Reducing.....not eliminate. Multi-million awards throw a monkey wrench into the malpractice insurance formula (Schneed can give more detail than I, I'm sure). I also don't agree with the $ 250K number floated a few years back by Bush & crew, it should be higher. But there has to be a finite number that malpractice insurers can work their premiums to cover, otherwise that cost will continue to spiral upwards.

There also needs to be better enforcement of existing systems in place to identify and punish bad docs.

Cap Medical Malpractice, Not Malpractice Awards: Ann Woolner - Bloomberg.com

People act as if there are these, to paraphrase Lewis Black, "Medicinal Banditos" roaming the countryside in search of new ways to maim and kill. The threat of loss of license, livelihood and possible incarceration should be enough to limit irresponsible practice. I think people should be protected against possible malpractice, but it doesn't have to be in the form of a lottery ticket.

[firstdown]

It dawned on me last night while watching Obama talk about health care and how much this sounds just like what was said when they started the goverment run health care in Mass. Then it clicked that this bill is from Ted Kennedy and where the heck is he from? Thats right Mass. and I wonder how much of that failing programe is in this federal bill they are trying to pass today. I know this is a repost but what they expected to happen in Mass. is what Obama is saying about this bill and what he says will not happen is just what happened in Mass. Don't know how one could read this post and not relate it to what is going on now.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

It dawned on me last night while watching Obama talk about health care and how much this sounds just like what was said when they started the goverment run health care in Mass. Then it clicked that this bill is from Ted Kennedy and where the heck is he from? Thats right Mass. and I wonder how much of that failing programe is in this federal bill they are trying to pass today. I know this is a repost but what they expected to happen in Mass. is what Obama is saying about this bill and what he says will not happen is just what happened in Mass. Don't know how one could read this post and not relate it to what is going on now.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp112.pdf

You don't suppose that there might be some modifications to this bill that may address the Mass. health care problems?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

You don't suppose that there might be some modifications to this bill that may address the Mass. health care problems?

Maybe but I'll also bet Obama has not even read the bill.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe but I'll also bet Obama has not even read the bill.

I am sure he has. After the first reading, you mainly read mark ups, that is not as much as reading 1000 pages every time. I doubt ANY President puts his signature on a bill without at least knowing whats in it (granted it's not on his desk yet). For Congressmen and Senators, they can get away with it, claiming compromise blah blah blah.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Maybe but I'll also bet Obama has not even read the bill.

Wow. Got a basis for that off the wall assertion?

Press Conference:
Q: So Mr. President, now that you've signed the Law, how do you expect Title IV, Subtitle 6 to affect [insert subject matter].

A. Ummmm, ahhhhh I didn't actually read that part. So, uh... ummmm.... aahh, now, I'll have to go ahead and have those reports back to you this afternoon ya' ummm.

His personal legislation which he wants and is intending to use as his landmark legislative project and you think he didn't read it?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wow. Got a basis for that off the wall assertion?

8 years of 'W' will do that to you.

[dmek25]

SS33, do you realize every link you post from Fox is looked upon the same way you look at links from CNN? just wondering

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by dmek25

SS33, do you realize every link you post from Fox is looked upon the same way you look at links from CNN? just wondering

I look at links from CNN as coming from a biased source with a liberal agenda. That doesn't mean I completely discount them as BS. Are there hard numbers in their article/link, if so where do they come from & how are they interpreted.

Anyway if this makes you feel better, here's the Trustees Report:

http://www.cms.hhs.gov/ReportsTrustF...ads/tr2009.pdf

My point is our current government medical benefit programs are stressed to point of insolvency in the next ten years without major reforms now. But Obama & the left-wing of the Dem party are trying to ram through another obscenely expensive government program. It doesn't make much sense.

Maybe Obama should be focusing on re-working Medicare and SS, less lofty goals than Universal Health Care, but far more practical and far more of an immediate need. How do you think an Obama re-election would look in 2012 if he achieved even modest success in these areas? Pretty good I'd say. With the control in Congress the Dems have it could easily pass and the Repubs would look real bad trying to stop it.

But again, Universal Health Care isn't the ultimate goal, it's expansion of the federal government to force more dependence and ultimately more confiscation of wealth/property. The only way to save all the benefit programs will be drastic tax increases, and not 1-2% either.

[firstdown]

Dmek25, Thats why I try to find another source before posting because I know how the left feels about FOX. Even though I look at CNN as leaning left I do not rule out ever thing they write about and I would hope the people on the left would look at FOX the same way. Last night I missed most of Obama's speach but I did have fun flipping around from FOX, CNN, and MSNBC to get the different slants on what he said.

[CRedskinsRule]

Really it comes down to what is politically feasible. UHC, if it is ever to become real, has to be now. Strong liberal control of both legislative bodies, and a liberal president. If the Republicans gain in the midterm then the focus can shift back to SS/medicare, and paint the Republicans as cry babies. But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Really it comes down to what is politically feasible. UHC, if it is ever to become real, has to be now. Strong liberal control of both legislative bodies, and a liberal president. If the Republicans gain in the midterm then the focus can shift back to SS/medicare, and paint the Republicans as cry babies. But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.

They have to pass it now before people get a chance to read the thing and realize how bad of a bill is.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

.....But right now is the time for the liberal base to push through as much dramatic underlying shift as possible. If they are able to, then as they say, to the victor goes the spoils.

If they push through bad legislation, they will likely lose control of Congress in 2010, and possibly the White House in 2012.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

If they push through bad legislation, they will likely lose control of Congress in 2010, and possibly the White House in 2012.

to steal a line from Saden, who do they have that could beat lord Obama?