Campbell's numbers dont lie

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Thats funny. We do awesome on offense and we end up lucky to score 27. When was the last time we had at least 35 points in a game? Was it the 05 game against the Cowboys at Fed Ex?

I found the last time we scored 30+ in a game. It was 32 against the Vikes at the end of '07. Last time we scored 35+ was 36 against the Jags in Week 4 of '06. So yes it's safe to say we have droughts in between our high scoring games.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

The O-line was getting bumrushed by the Bills and Brees looked mediocre for a while in that game. BUT, they righted the ship and went to the running game. They're a complete offense. They struggle and still score 27.

And let's not forget about that Copper dude (Terrence?) and the other scrub WRs Brees has made look good over the last couple of years. Bad WRs is about the weakest excuse anyone can make for a QB.

Your making a good point against yourself here. They righted the ship by going to the running game. Our O-line is not producing espeically when it comes to running game. Have you seen any running game to go to?

What makes his WRs scrubs? Are you just saying that for the sake of argument. So Colston, Henderson, Meachum and all the rest of them are scrubs? No maybe they run their routes correctly and are precise when it comes to the offensive game plan. If a WR is a scrub he wont come back to the ball. He wont create any separation. He will not try to knock the ball away from a defender when their is a potential INT. he will not have awareness and be able to make a move so the QB can salvage a bad play. Like breaking off yoru route and getting open when the QB is being chased around. Brees is an outstanding QB but that doesn't mean his WR are scrubs. If they were scrubs they wouldn't be in the NFL. So why are his WRs scrubs again?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Leader or not. He can't make the plays for his team mates. I think its more of a reflection of the team than JC. Leadership is important. But if you are leading a group into a war they might be pumped up but that still doens't mean they wont get their ass kicked if the other side has a better plan (defensive scheme/offensive game plan) and your team is outsmarted. I think this whole thought is a little cliche'.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Leader or not. He can't make the plays for his team mates. I think its more of a reflection of the team than JC. Leadership is important. But if you are leading a group into a war they might be pumped up but that still doens't mean they wont get their ass kicked if the other side has a better plan (defensive scheme/offensive game plan) and your team is outsmarted. I think this whole thought is a little cliche'.

No, it's not cliche - it's the one of the most important things in football.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

No, it's not cliche - it's the one of th most important things in football.

Try this one.

Defense wins championships.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Try this one.

Defense wins championships.

But you have to get to the championship game first and you have to be led there.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

But you have to get to the championship game first and you have to be led there.

Exactly and Defense is needed for that.

Example: NE in the Superbowl against the Giants.

NE had a high powered offense. They set records. But they also had a decent defense. Denver had a high powered offense with Cutler and no defense. Did they make the playoffs.

You need a defense to get you to the championship game. Because no matter how much you score you have to stop the other team from scoring also. The offense cn alwyas have a bad game.

name one team that made it to the Superbowl without a good defense.

The only exception to the rule I will say again is the Warner led Rams. Even Arizona had a decent defense last year.

I'll be waiting..

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Green1

Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie!

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

If Sanchez was on our team at this point we wouldn't be better this year. Maybe in the future. But the defense there has improved signifigantly. Cutler had a high powered offense in Denver. But did they make the playoffs. Its not just on the QB. There are other factors. Not saying Jason isn't a factor in all this. But he is just one of many factors.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

If Sanchez was on our team at this point we wouldn't be better this year. Maybe in the future. But the defense there has improved signifigantly. Cutler had a high powered offense in Denver. But did they make the playoffs. Its not just on the QB. There are other factors. Not saying Jason isn't a factor in all this. But he is just one of many factors.

I have a man-crush on Rex Ryan.

Me so Rexy.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

LOL.

Cutler and Sanchez will be single-handedly leading their teams to the playoffs for years to come? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but both of those teams have outstanding defenses.

I'm not saying Sanchez and Cutler aren't playing well or anything, but if you're really suggesting that they are the sole reason for both of those teams to make the playoffs and that they'll be consistently doing so for "years to come", all I can say is "puff-puff-give!"...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by dgack

LOL.

Cutler and Sanchez will be single-handedly leading their teams to the playoffs for years to come? I hate to be the one to break this to you, but both of those teams have outstanding defenses.

I'm not saying Sanchez and Cutler aren't playing well or anything, but if you're really suggesting that they are the sole reason for both of those teams to make the playoffs and that they'll be consistently doing so for "years to come", all I can say is "puff-puff-give!"...

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell and Cutler are in really comparable offenses this year, so we can keep the comparisons with them all year long. I don't think anyone believes that one has a decisive advantage over the other in terms of talented teammates on the offense.

Can't use win/loss because Chicago's defense is both more talented and better coached.

But if Cutler ends up at the end of the year with much better stats, we can probably conclude he's the better quarterback. If he doesn't, well, our non-move in the offseason looks, really, really good.

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think he's already better. You saw what the NFL thought of Campbell when we was dangled out there during the off season....and you saw what someone paid to get Cutler. But I hope I'm wrong.

That also goes the other way around. Why was Cutler available if the Broncos didn't feel like they could do better? I mean, McDaniels probably felt that Kyle Orton could win more games than Cutler, as wrongheaded as that may have seemed, Orton has been at least as good through 3 games as Cutler has.

Well, the implication is that Cutler would also pay immediate dividends to the team that got him. At this point, he's probably cost the Bears a game and won them one, so he's probably more or less exactly what Kyle Orton would have done in the same timeframe. Kyle Orton, though, would have beaten the Packers and the Bears would have been closer to winning the division title than with Cutler.

Nobody who has been better than Campbell this season ever came remotely available. Unless you count Brees in 2006...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'm sure the insanity of your post has already been picked apart, but the stats you mention don't really mean much of anything. You're talking fantasy football stats, not real stats. The if you've watched the games, the vast majority of JC's production has come when we are behind late in the game and opposing defenses are playing prevent.

Of the quarteracks you mention with lower QB ratings than Campbell, not a single sane person would take Campbell over any of them. Nothing Campbell has shown me this year changes my opinion of him - he's the best QB on our roster, but he holds on to the ball too long, makes poor decions, can't get it done when it counts, and doesn't have the "it" factor you need in a franchise QB.

I garauntee by the end of the season, you and everyone who has made excuses for Campbell over the past several years will be regretting that we werent able to land Cutler or Sanchez in the offseason. I said it before and I'll restate it now - both of those guys are better than any QBs that will be available in the draft in 2010. I love Orakpo, but he's never going to single-handedly lead this team to the playoffs, which is something Cutler and Sanchez will be doing for their respective teams for years to come.

I don't know of any fantasy football league on the planet that uses completion percentage or quarterback rating to score it's players. Have we not played fantasy football?

If you can make an airtight statistical argument that Campbell is not getting it done when it matters (without using the 'it' cliche, because frankly, no one cares), I'll hat tip you and move on. Otherwise, you're just being a blowhard for everyone elses QB, who have not been as good as Jason Campbell this year.