BREAKING NEWS: Cerrato resigns (Bruce Allen hired as VP/GM) - merged

[J. Spanky]

well, hopefully we'll keep hold of scott campbell and morocco brown. one thing you have to give allen's bucs - they never ignored the o-line. and the one they have now is young and talented thanks to him. i'm sure we all wish we could say that about ours.

[skinsfaninok]

Great move Danny!!! Brings back an old traditional Allen in Washington... If we do bring gruden in does this mean JC is gone ?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Great move Danny!!! Brings back an old traditional Allen in Washington... If we do bring gruden in does this mean JC is gone ?

Why would you assume that? Gruden praised Campbell for a lot when doing the commentary for our game. He pointed out a few things he could suggest to Campbell for improvement while saying basically "I could take this guy to the next level, he has the talent". This of course, was BEFORE Jason's game took off in the last 6 weeks. JC earned his future with the team I think.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Buster

Why would you assume that? Gruden praised Campbell for a lot when doing the commentary for our game. He pointed out a few things he could suggest to Campbell for improvement while saying basically "I could take this guy to the next level, he has the talent". This of course, was BEFORE Jason's game took off in the last 6 weeks. JC earned his future with the team I think.

Well Chucky likes veteran QBs, and as someone mentioned this morning on 980, Campbell is a veteran.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Buster

Why would you assume that? Gruden praised Campbell for a lot when doing the commentary for our game. He pointed out a few things he could suggest to Campbell for improvement while saying basically "I could take this guy to the next level, he has the talent". This of course, was BEFORE Jason's game took off in the last 6 weeks. JC earned his future with the team I think.

No question Gruden likes JC. He coached him at the Senior Bowl when JC was coming out for the draft so they have a history. Monday Night is going to be very interesting!

[hooskins]

I really hope we dont get Shanahan, he hasnt done jack without Elway.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I really hope we dont get Shanahan, he hasnt done jack without Elway.

Thank you.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I really hope we dont get Shanahan, he hasnt done jack without Elway.

ditto.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

ditto.

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

And only 1 playoff victory in 10 years. I agree with you that he's a good coach, just a little overrated. He may be the best coach for us because no one can build an offensive line and solid running game like Shannahan.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

What qualifies as not done jack though? Just cause he didnt win a Super Bowl without ELway?

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!

This is his record since Elway Left
99- 6-10
00 - 11-5
01- 8-8
02- 9-7
03- 10-6
04- 10-6
05 -13-3
06- 9-7
08- 8-8

What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.[/QUOTE]

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Come on man...that is a weak argument. There have been plenty of great coaches that haven't won a SB, and Shanahan won 2. So does that mean Belichick is not special cause he never won a SB without Brady? How about Dungy without Manning? Or Holmgren without Favre? We are spoiled in that Gibbs won with 3 different QB's, that is an anomoly!



What you fail to point out is that everyone considered Dan Reeves a great coach, yet Shanahan did something with the Broncos he never could. Also, Elway's years with Shanahan were the most productive of his career:
95- 86.4 rating (5th best of career)
96- 89.2 rating (3rd best of career)
97- 87.5 rating (4th best of career)
98- 93.0 rating (best of career)
So in 16 years, 4 of the best 5 of his career happened to occur during Shanahan's time. You don't think that's a sign of something?

Now... I'm more in favor of Gruden as well vs Shannahan... and Shannahan outside of a Conference Title Appaerance in 2005 didnt do much in the playoffs, an the AFC West has traditionally been much weaker then the NFC East.. but I'd certainley take this over what the REdskins had the last 10 years, thats for sure. I certainly dont think he did a bad job at all since Elway left.

Thats 6 winning seasons, 2 .55 seasons and a losing season...

All AFTER Elway.

Shanahan with elway 47-17 .734%. (including going 4-1 without Elway in that span, and 4-0 in 98 without Elway and won the SB that year)
Elway without Shanahan 105-66-1 .613%.

Clearly, Shanahan was the reason Elway overcame his humps.

The argument could easily be made that Shanahan made Elway, not the other way around. I doubt it's a coincidence that Shanahan got Elway 2 SB rings, when Elway had those great teams of the past and couldn't do it.[/QUOTE]

HAHA, maybe I just didnt say it right, but thats what I was trying to say!!

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I really hope we dont get Shanahan, he hasnt done jack without Elway.

Or, Elway couldn't do jack without Shanahan.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Or, Elway couldn't do jack without Shanahan.

One could argue that also. Shannahan did surround Elway with pro-bowl talent at all of the skilled positions. Rod Smith, McCaffery, Terrell Davis, Shannan Sharpe. That was one hell of a supporting cast.

[NYCSkin]

Snyder made the right business move. Whether it will translate in more wins for the Skins--time will tell. But by forcing Cerrato's exit--which is what this midseason "resignation" is--he has already got a PR win and can shift the pressure and responsibility to Allen (starting with whether to retain Zorn).