Haynesworth is Behaving Selfishly

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.

agreed we dont have every player we need right now but we got some pieces. also, i dont think it is wise to wait until next year to start collecting the personnel. we have already started adding pieces with kemo, carrikter (sp), that lb we drafted in the 4th (hill?).

include those guys with orakpo, jarmon, blades and we have a good bit of guys who are going to be here (or atleast expected to be in our future plans) who need to be coached up on the 3-4.

that way, next year when we draft another 3-4 lb or DL, all those guys i just listed above have already played a year under the scheme and all we have to do is bring 1 or 2 rookies up to speed.

we arent canonballing ourselves into the deep end. we are taking baby steps in the shallow part of the pool and as we add more pieces and get more comfortable over the next year or two we will find ourselves swimming in the deep end with no problems.

[MTK]

I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.

[NYCskinfan82]

I beleive in our FO & i'm sure we will pick up more players that fit the 3-4 as they get released from other camps but we need depth, think about our OL last yr that's what killed us no depth we have depth for a 4-3 DF but not a 3-4 IMO.


HTTR.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I like how Allen says "a lot" of the reports out there about trading Haynesworth aren't true. He didnt deny that some of them were.

You expect him to say ALL of the reports? Knowing that he couldn't have possibly read them all?

Jesus man, take the tin foil hat off.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.

Exactly.. and when making a switch you'll be a bit short. I mean if we were perfectly ideal for a 3-4 team we wouldn't have been a 4-3 to begin with. Why wait to switch?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think switching to a 3-4 base defense in 2010 is completely retarded. We had a Top 10 defense in 2010 with a uber-conservative DC that had two of our top potential playmakers playing out of position (3 if you want to include misusing haynesworth). Additionally, the defense was also hurt because our innept offense couldnt score points and the HC made stupid calls that constantly put our defense in tough spots.

Shanahan's offense and play-calling alone would indirectly improve our defense. Move Landry to SS, Orakpo to full-time 4-3 DE, and let Hasletts more aggressive calling work its magic. In my mind, those changes alone would make our defense top 5. Instead, I don't see any way our defense is not in the bottom 10 of the league in 2010. we've simply got too many guys on the roster who don't really fit anywhere in the system and/or who are playing out of their natural position now. IMO Haynesworth is, by far, the best player on our defense, if not the entire team, and the coaches should be doing everything as possible to get the most out of him. Shanahan and Hasletts forcing the 3-4 on the team now is no different than Cerrato forcing the WCO on Jason Campbell. Its a square peg and a round hole. Eventually, you can make it ok, but the coaches are just making a problem when there doesnt need to be one. Great coaches are supposed to adapt their systems to their personnel. All teams run a little bit of everything to confuses offenses, and i'm not averse to the team going to a base 3-4 eventually. But doing it in 2010 is just further evidence that Shanahan is still a moron when it comes to defense.

THIS!

...Shanahan, Haslett and Allen should be grilled come the regular season when the defense takes a big step backward. I mean we bring in these super smart football guys to replace a coke-head toady working w/ Snyder and the first thing they do, literally, is take the strongest facet of the team and blow it UP. That's just stupid. Fans and media should put them through the ringer when the defense is underwhelming.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I finally saw the NFL Network Replay of Total Access, with the Bruce Allen. If Albert comes in good shape and plays well in camp all is forgiven for now. He will play and we will all just have to see how well Albert handles the media and his team through out the year. He could just come in and play where ever he is intructed to with all his might or he comes in and creates a distraction for the team.

Then we will all see how it goes down. He could be here for the length of his contract and realizes that he can still be disruptive in this scream, and be great. It is all how Haslett uses the guy. If he has to play nose all the time he probably wont be to happy and gone soon. Now if we play Haynesworth, Kemo/ or one of the other guys we have for nose, Daniels/Carriker. I would tend to think we have a high rate of success with that line in a 3-4.

Where does Andrer Carter fit into our plans. If haslet wants guys at 315 Andre is going to be a LB. I just find that a bit of a waste there. he is not good in coverage at all. He is to slow for a LB, but has great speed at DE. Andre has never been good in coverage. He is a natural DE. I really wish there was a market for him, because he can play. Hell if we were wishing I would want him still here and still be playing a 4-3, then all of this AH talk would be for nothing as i am sure it would not have been so over blown by the media.

Any way I want AH here and playing well, but I am also tired of hearing about all of this shit. LOL

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by The Goat

THIS!

...Shanahan, Haslett and Allen should be grilled come the regular season when the defense takes a big step backward. I mean we bring in these super smart football guys to replace a coke-head toady working w/ Snyder and the first thing they do, literally, is take the strongest facet of the team and blow it UP. That's just stupid. Fans and media should put them through the ringer when the defense is underwhelming.

I understand the skepticism however i'm sure that their plan extends past just this year and if we're able to already evaluate the future performances of our players for this year we'd probably have jobs at the park or with any other organization for that matter

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think we're nearly as short on the necessary pieces for a 3-4 as some want to think. I'm guessing the staff knows what they're doing.

I think we have made very good moves thus far, but I have to disagree about the not being short bit, especially at LB. Our depth sucked at the 4-3 at LB. THe addition of the LB from LSU was great, but we will need to draft another LB or two next season I think. Fletch isn't getting any younger, and the depth still sucks. Hopefully McIntosh will step it up to prove he is a real gamer.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

We don't have the personnel yet so net year when we go out and get the personnel we will have to teach the system again.

The correct personnel will not really have to learn as much as those not already geared for this system that's part of what makes them the correct guys .. there will be the new players each and every year to teach though.. that goes for every other team as well

[53Fan]

Maybe this would get him into camp quicker?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Maybe this would get him into camp quicker?

LOL!

...Betty White is badass.

[SBXVII]

Ok, I hate sending people to this site but this was an interesting take. In case you don't get it "PD93" is Phillip Daniels. He showed up to set the record straight. Hope this eases some of the animosity about AH.
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[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ok, I hate sending people to this site but this was an interesting take. In case you don't get it "PD93" is Phillip Daniels. He showed up to set the record straight. Hope this eases some of the animosity about AH.
Hello Skins Fans. This is PD. - EXTREMESKINS.com

Nobody police's the reporters they can say whatever & it's OK. ESPN has gotten way to BIG IMO.

[skinsfan_nn]

ESPN.com

Snyder: Haynesworth absence not OK

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- While he's "disappointed" with Albert Haynesworth, all else seems fine with Dan Snyder after a rough year as owner of the Washington Redskins.


Snyder acknowledged a different vibe and a cultural change now that he's appointed Bruce Allen as general manager and Mike Shanahan as head coach.

"It was necessary," Snyder said Saturday at the dedication of an inner-city football field that has been refurbished by the Redskins and the NFL. "We were 4-12 and going in the wrong direction, and all the changes are to get us going in the right direction. Obviously with the pedigree and the success of the people that I've brought in, you can tell we're going in the right direction. I'm real excited about it."

In the last five months, Snyder has ousted longtime front office head Vinny Cerrato and fired coach Jim Zorn. The changes came with a price: The owner known for his hands-on approach has given Shanahan the final say over the roster.

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Snyder downplayed the change in his role.

"I think the approach has always been a little more hands-off than probably written about or reported about," he said.

Snyder cited the leadership of Donovan McNabb and nodded "We'll be OK" when asked about the status of getting the new quarterback a contract extension. McNabb's current deal expires at the end of the year.

Haynesworth is another matter. The Redskins have paid the two-time All Pro $32 million in guaranteed money over the last 15 months, but he skipped two voluntary minicamps this spring and stayed away from all of the team's offseason workouts mainly because he's unhappy with the switch to a 3-4 defense.

"Yeah, I'm disappointed he's not here. Absolutely," Snyder said. "We're expecting our players to lead by example, and we're expecting our players to understand that they're Redskins and they need to be there."

Haynesworth is expected to attend the mandatory minicamp next month.