Cousins Open to Trade.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

first career start? completed over 70% of his passes on the road? 104 rating for the game? come'on that's pretty solid effort

It was definitely very solid. Funny how some are sweeping it under the rug like it didn't happen now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure there's anyone left at RP that stands on the table for Kirk. Colt, on the other hand

New staff (mostly), to be expected I guess. Is Gruden the big fan of Colt specifically? I don't get it myself but I'll keep an open mind.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

New staff (mostly), to be expected I guess. Is Gruden the big fan of Colt specifically? I don't get it myself but I'll keep an open mind.

And Allen too apparently. I don't even really know what it is. I think he's a guy most coaches like to have on the team, but few would ever want actually playing

[mooby]

Looks like the Captain Kirk bandwagon has cleared out. Not that I'm a huge fan of him myself after the way he played last year, but can anyone tell what the chances are that we get either a 4th rounder or higher, or alternately an impact player, in a trade for him? It sounds like right now we'd be lucky if someone gave up a 5th rounder for him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Looks like the Captain Kirk bandwagon has cleared out. Not that I'm a huge fan of him myself after the way he played last year, but can anyone tell what the chances are that we get either a 4th rounder or higher, or alternately an impact player, in a trade for him? It sounds like right now we'd be lucky if someone gave up a 5th rounder for him.

Imo that is what he is worth, but i sure hope some GM is higher on him than i am. I have zero problem with him being our backup. I will say that I think almost any qb would have looked like crap in that circus sideshow of a team last year, especially one coming in off the bench into a defeated heartless team with one career start under his belt.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

A new offense every year? Didn't Campbell have the Al Saunders/Joe Gibbs offense for two years (2006-7), and Jim Zorn two years (2008-9)?



Zero chance? Weren't the Redskins a playoff capable team in 2007 (when Collins stepped in), and a team that ran the ball down opponents throat in 2008, until teams saw they could stack the box against us?

I seem to remember JC always learning a new offense. Didnt he go through that at Auburn too?

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I seem to remember JC always learning a new offense. Didnt he go through that at Auburn too?

Lol, yeah I think one of those things that gets repeated enough times people believe it's true, when it's not. Campbell had 2 years in the Saunders offense, and 2 years in the Zorn offense. He did not have to "learn a new offense each year" with the Skins.

Dunno about Auburn. Wonder if that would be a plus or not.

[KI Skins Fan]

So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.

Agreed, Campbell is no starter. Gibb's reached big time when we drafted him.
He's a total spaz in the pocket.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

So, would learning a new offense be a valid excuse for RGIII, according to you guys, if he doesn't perform well this season? My guess is "No".

My recollection of JC was that he could look good at times between the 20's but he was not good in the Red Zone or in converting third down plays.

I don't understand why this argument about JC goes on and on. There ought to be a statute of limitations on it. If the guy could play, wouldn't he be a starter somewhere by now? Again, he is a Coach Killer.

I expect a learning curve. I'm going to assume that Gruden will run plays from Shanahan's offense, just different terminology.

As far as Griffin goes, we have to all be patient. I don't think his instincts are to sit in the pocket and let things develop. He's going to have to learn and get comfortable with the offense.

[MTK]

At this point I don't see a huge difference in Cousins vs McCoy.

If either have them have to play for an extended amount of time, chances are we're in trouble. As most teams are when your starter goes down for more than a game or two.

[whistler]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At this point I don't see a huge difference in Cousins vs McCoy.

If either have them have to play for an extended amount of time, chances are we're in trouble. As most teams are when your starter goes down for more than a game or two.

Exactly, a backup is just that. Most teams put their stock into the starter. It's a luxury to have 2 starting quality qbs, and if you have 2 good qbs you can usually trade one for early draft picks. Which is not the case with KC.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by whistler

Exactly, a backup is just that. Most teams put their stock into the starter. It's a luxury to have 2 starting quality qbs, and if you have 2 good qbs you can usually trade one for early draft picks. Which is not the case with KC.

really, didn't the Redskins win a Superbowl with a backup QB ?

Sonny Jurgensen was a backup, Theismann was 3rd string.....the Redskins have had plenty of good back up QBs.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

really, didn't the Redskins win a Superbowl with a backup QB ?

Sonny Jurgensen was a backup, Theismann was 3rd string.....the Redskins have had plenty of good back up QBs.

Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Jurgensen didn't win the Super Bowl. He arguably also wasn't the backup in '72 - he got hurt and Kilmer took over.

Thiesmann was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB with him.
Rypien was the unquestioned starter when we won the SB.
Whether Williams or Schroeder was the backup when we won the SB in '87 is open to debate.

you prove my point, the Redskins have had success with backup QBs