Ukraine mega thread

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

Agree for the most part. I would be perfectly fine with a proxy war. Hack their defense and intelligence. Stop their pipelines for a couple hours, but definitely no boots on the ground. Maybe crash an old MTV satellite into one of their important satellites "on accident"

Edit: Thought about including drone strikes on some hospitals and schools but that might be frowned upon.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

Unfortunately Sunnyside their is a strong political cost for Biden. Sorry, you are not going to absolve Biden when Democrats for 4 years spewed lies about Russian Collusion hoax, claims of the DNC hacking by Russia (another disinformation campaign), call gop Russian stooges, etc and then say :

Biden's account tweeted in February, 2020: "Vladimir Putin doesn't want me to be President. He doesn't want me to be our nominee."

"If you're wondering why—it's because I'm the only person in this field who's ever gone toe-to-toe with him," the then Democratic presidential candidate said.

This is another failure of the Biden foreign policy…and a continuing losing streak the Biden/Obama administration where they got their ass handed to them by Putin.

Now to simply throw hands up, relinquish accountability and declare nothing coulda been done…it didn’t work with his Afghanistan withdrawal and will not work here. Biden is career politician with a record, I suggest checking his record

Promises NOT kept by President Biden in handling Russian aggression

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Unfortunately Sunnyside their is a strong political cost for Biden. Sorry, you are not going to absolve Biden when Democrats for 4 years spewed lies about Russian Collusion hoax, claims of the DNC hacking by Russia (another disinformation campaign), call gop Russian stooges, etc and then say :

Biden's account tweeted in February, 2020: "Vladimir Putin doesn't want me to be President. He doesn't want me to be our nominee."

"If you're wondering why—it's because I'm the only person in this field who's ever gone toe-to-toe with him," the then Democratic presidential candidate said.

This is another failure of the Biden foreign policy…and a continuing losing streak the Biden/Obama administration where they got their ass handed to them by Putin.

Now to simply throw hands up, relinquish accountability and declare nothing coulda been done…it didn’t work with his Afghanistan withdrawal and will not work here. Biden is career politician with a record, I suggest checking his record

Promises NOT kept by President Biden in handling Russian aggression

Must be super easy for you to post. You just copy and paste off a q-anon blog post. Im sorta jealous.

Love how you still say no Russian collusion. Lol. Can u imagine being so oblivious that u believe they were meeting about adopting Russian babies? I cannot.

As a fan of our football team u should realize just because someone doesn’t get in trouble doesn’t mean they didn’t attempt to or do what they are accused of. But you go kid.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Must be super easy for you to post. You just copy and paste off a q-anon blog post. Im sorta jealous.

Love how you still say no Russian collusion. Lol. Can u imagine being so oblivious that u believe they were meeting about adopting Russian babies? I cannot.

As a fan of our football team u should realize just because someone doesn’t get in trouble doesn’t mean they didn’t attempt to or do what they are accused of. But you go kid.

Yup. People laughed when I referred to chico as comrade but now he shows his true colores.chico backs Putin/trump all the way.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

In my personal opinion .. this isnt about trump or obama or biden. This is about Putin.

No one, including those 3, would commit to US boots on Ukraine ground. Outside of that, its sanctions and thoughts and prayers. Unless you want the US and Russia to go to war, I dont think there was anything anyone could do to stop this from happening.

I agree with you but make no mistake putin wants trump back in Office , his life was sweet with him knowing trump wouldn't do a thing and that trump was pissing off our allies ,he loved it!

[MTK]

Comrade Tucker has no fucking shame, not one ounce

Opinion | Tucker Carlson Goes It Alone on Putin

[Chico23231]

The easiest evidence to see the media is in the bag for failed presidency is why you hear so much of Tucker, Candace Owens, Trump, etc and Ukraine. Of course none of these people matter when it comes to decision making or strategy.

Wa Post, NYT, La times, Chicago Tribune, NBC news, CNN…no one raising an ounce of criticism on Jake Sullivan, Blinken, Psaki, Klein, Harris or Biden over Ukraine. Why is that? It doesn’t reflect the actual sentiment of the American people:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/390086/...ssia-near.aspx

36% approve of the handling of Russia vs 55% disapprove. Overall 41 approve vs 55 disapprove.

4 out of the top 5 articles most read on the Wa Post were about Trump. It’s laughable how out of touch the coverage is.

That’s why they continue to highlight Tucker, Owens, Trump, etc.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The easiest evidence to see the media is in the bag for failed presidency is why you hear so much of Tucker, Candace Owens, Trump, etc and Ukraine. Of course none of these people matter when it comes to decision making or strategy.

Wa Post, NYT, La times, Chicago Tribune, NBC news, CNN…no one raising an ounce of criticism on Jake Sullivan, Blinken, Psaki, Klein, Harris or Biden over Ukraine. Why is that? It doesn’t reflect the actual sentiment of the American people:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/390086/...ssia-near.aspx

36% approve of the handling of Russia vs 55% disapprove. Overall 41 approve vs 55 disapprove.

4 out of the top 5 articles most read on the Wa Post were about Trump. It’s laughable how out of touch the coverage is.

That’s why they continue to highlight Tucker, Owens, Trump, etc.

comrade chico, what's laughable are your comments.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The easiest evidence to see the media is in the bag for failed presidency is why you hear so much of Tucker, Candace Owens, Trump, etc and Ukraine. Of course none of these people matter when it comes to decision making or strategy.

Wa Post, NYT, La times, Chicago Tribune, NBC news, CNN…no one raising an ounce of criticism on Jake Sullivan, Blinken, Psaki, Klein, Harris or Biden over Ukraine. Why is that? It doesn’t reflect the actual sentiment of the American people:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/390086/...ssia-near.aspx

36% approve of the handling of Russia vs 55% disapprove. Overall 41 approve vs 55 disapprove.

4 out of the top 5 articles most read on the Wa Post were about Trump. It’s laughable how out of touch the coverage is.

That’s why they continue to highlight Tucker, Owens, Trump, etc.

Stfu

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The easiest evidence to see the media is in the bag for failed presidency is why you hear so much of Tucker, Candace Owens, Trump, etc and Ukraine. Of course none of these people matter when it comes to decision making or strategy.

Wa Post, NYT, La times, Chicago Tribune, NBC news, CNN…no one raising an ounce of criticism on Jake Sullivan, Blinken, Psaki, Klein, Harris or Biden over Ukraine. Why is that? It doesn’t reflect the actual sentiment of the American people:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/390086/...ssia-near.aspx

36% approve of the handling of Russia vs 55% disapprove. Overall 41 approve vs 55 disapprove.

4 out of the top 5 articles most read on the Wa Post were about Trump. It’s laughable how out of touch the coverage is.

That’s why they continue to highlight Tucker, Owens, Trump, etc.

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

Definitely plenty of blame to go around. Some of it falls on Biden but certainly not all of it or most of it.

Treat countries like Russia with kiddy gloves and they will walk all over you.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Definitely plenty of blame to go around. Some of it falls on Biden but certainly not all of it or most of it.

Treat countries like Russia with kiddy gloves and they will walk all over you.

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

“There is nothing he coulda done” excuses continue

He’s just the leader of the free world

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am asking a serious question here. How was Biden going to stop putin? Other then boots on the ground how do you stop Russia from invading any Country?

I think there are things that could have been done differently. Stopping Russian access to SWIFT earlier. Cyberattack their infrastructure. Talk to Saudi Arabia about flooding the petroleum market to cut into Russian profits and literally their most valuable export.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I am not shocked at all by these numbers. I think in terms of Russia I do agree but the precedent has been set on the handling of Putin by the two prior administrations and Western Europe. We handled his transgressions poorly for over a decade and now we are acting like parents going "I don't know what the problem is! I took away his phone."

I just don’t agree here. George W was tough on Russia…john McCain and Mitt Romney ( Obama: 1980s called they want their foreign policy back) both Presidential nominations and leaders in the GOP both extremely tough and hawkish on Russia. While Trump disgracefully praised Putin multiple times, his positions and policy were tough on Russia. I’ve outlined it above and he placed the sanctions on Nordstream 2 originally.

But when I say check the record on Biden, he’s praised Russia as well in the past and even considered him an ally while in the Obama administration. Democrats used Russia as a scapegoat for 2016 that’s where I see the basis for their emerging hate of Russia. Here is Biden in the Obama administration:

US Vice President Joe Biden announced Obama’s new policy at the February 2009 Munich Security Conference: ‘It’s time to press the reset button and to revisit the many areas where we can and should be working together with Russia.’6 At the heart of this reset was prudent expectations management, using moderate rhetoric to create a set of achievable goals. The focus was interest-based pragmatism and a restrained policy toward Russia’s neighbours and toward Russia’s internal politics.