Super Bowl Gameday Thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I think it was more about Wilson than the bad call. Especially after looking at all the information.

The throw was bad but the call was worse imo. Butler made a great break on the ball.
It is strange though that I hear nobody talking about Wilson throwing the int. Can you imagine if that was Romo? Lmao. He would be absolutely crucified. People are acting like Wilson is a victim. I understand that he does not have a history of choking like Romo, but my God if I had a dollar for everytime i have heard the words bad pass or mistake when referring to Wilsons throw.....well.....id still be piss poor.

[over the mountain]

the call was designed to get the ball out super quick. 3 step drop throw slant, hope the chip route slowed the corner enough. the chip receiver didnt chip, the corner read and broke on the ball before the ball was out, receiver didnt body enough, ball wasnt as low as it could have been.

imo wilson did exactly what he was supposed to do on that play. maybe the ball could have been a little lower but wilson did his job.

imo the play design doesnt give wilson any options or discretion. its a quick 3 step dro so i dont think there is any defender wilson is supposed to read and then decide whether or not to throw it.

wilson has no choice/options/discretion with the way the play call was.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The throw was bad but the call was worse imo. Butler made a great break on the ball.
It is strange though that I hear nobody talking about Wilson throwing the int. Can you imagine if that was Romo? Lmao. He would be absolutely crucified. People are acting like Wilson is a victim. I understand that he does not have a history of choking like Romo, but my God if I had a dollar for everytime i have heard the words bad pass or mistake when referring to Wilsons throw.....well.....id still be piss poor.

I find that strange, too. Carroll and Bevell didn't throw that ball. The QB has to know that in that situation, don't throw a pick! At worst case, live for the next down.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Ex-quarterback Jeff Blake -- Deflating footballs common - ESPN


Deflategate: NFL quarterbacks doctoring footballs is nothing new - CBSSports.com


Good reads

giantone, i like you but you being obtuse at this point. your smarter and better than this.

the post i replied to

1. you sd brad johnson underinflated balls = clearly false. he paid someone to scuff them.

2. you sd rodgers over inflates balls = i pointed out that rodgers never sd he or anyone on GB over inflates the balls after the refs check them like the pats are accused of doing. huge distinction. rodgers overinflating balls before giving them to the refs, who then deflate them to regulation is not cheating.

re the 2 articles you posted:

1. from the jeff blake article: you posted

"Many other NFL quarterbacks have said the opposite, that they've never messed with the inflation of a ball or seen anyone do so."

jeff blake (trying to get his name in there so he can become an NFL analyst) v many other QBs.

2. deflategate article - talks exclusively about old QBs scuffing brand new balls. scuffing balls is totally different from having your ball boy go into the bathroom and deflate balls after the NFL refs had checked them for regulation.




im not a big defaltegate guy with my pitchfork ... but at least make counter arguments based on accuracy, not peripheral issues.

[MTK]

Based on my extensive knowledge as a play caller from Madden, I would have pounded Lynch again on 2nd down and immediately call a TO if we get stuffed. 3rd down playaction and boot out Wilson with a pass/run option, if nothing there throw it away and get to 4th down where I'd again pound it with Lynch. Boom championship.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The throw was bad but the call was worse imo. Butler made a great break on the ball.
It is strange though that I hear nobody talking about Wilson throwing the int. Can you imagine if that was Romo? Lmao. He would be absolutely crucified. People are acting like Wilson is a victim. I understand that he does not have a history of choking like Romo, but my God if I had a dollar for everytime i have heard the words bad pass or mistake when referring to Wilsons throw.....well.....id still be piss poor.

The public and some in the media always give "nice guys/teams" a lot of slack. If Wilson gets credit for winning last year's SB (even though his team was up 29-0 when he actually threw a TD), he should get the blame for this loss.

Still the coaches are not blameless, they should've given Lynch the ball.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The public and some in the media always give "nice guys/teams" a lot of slack. If Wilson gets credit for winning last year's SB (even though his team was up 29-0 when he actually threw a TD), he should get the blame for this loss.

Still the coaches are not blameless, they should've given Lynch the ball.

99% of the time that kind of throw play is either a catch or a drop. The probability of it being a pic was really low. It is probably the same percent probability that Lynch would have fumbled.

Everyone is just hind-sighting it. Everyone in that stadium figured he go Lynch, they tried to surprise the Pats with a throw. the odds were on the Seahawks side it either be dropped or caught just happen they got the low percent outcome; INT.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Based on my extensive knowledge as a play caller from Madden, I would have pounded Lynch again on 2nd down and immediately call a TO if we get stuffed. 3rd down playaction and boot out Wilson with a pass/run option, if nothing there throw it away and get to 4th down where I'd again pound it with Lynch. Boom championship.

Lol. Come on Matty. Plenty of other NFL people including the Seahawks players have ripped the call. This is not a question of fans thinking they know better, this is a question of wtf were they thinking? They did have a TO and yes i would agree pound it with Lynch or Wilson on a boot.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The public and some in the media always give "nice guys/teams" a lot of slack. If Wilson gets credit for winning last year's SB (even though his team was up 29-0 when he actually threw a TD), he should get the blame for this loss.

Still the coaches are not blameless, they should've given Lynch the ball.

I agree to an extent, but the coaches made the call to begin with and thats why they deserve the most blame. I certainly think Wilson could a have made a better throw, specifically putting the ball on the receiver and not leading him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The public and some in the media always give "nice guys/teams" a lot of slack. If Wilson gets credit for winning last year's SB (even though his team was up 29-0 when he actually threw a TD), he should get the blame for this loss.



Still the coaches are not blameless, they should've given Lynch the ball.

The Fonz would quote your post and give u a big ole "exactamundo"!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

99% of the time that kind of throw play is either a catch or a drop. The probability of it being a pic was really low. It is probably the same percent probability that Lynch would have fumbled.

Everyone is just hind-sighting it. Everyone in that stadium figured he go Lynch, they tried to surprise the Pats with a throw. the odds were on the Seahawks side it either be dropped or caught just happen they got the low percent outcome; INT.

Good points. I do want to correct myself and state that Wilson should get some of the blame.

It just seems that other QBs would get all the blame (i.e. Romo), yet for some people make Wilson out to be not at fault for throwing a pick.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Good points. I do want to correct myself and state that Wilson should get some of the blame.

It just seems that other QBs would get all the blame (i.e. Romo), yet for some people make Wilson out to be not at fault for throwing a pick.

There is a history with Romo of effing up in the clutch and Russel Wilson has a history being the man in the clutch (i.e. NFC overtime championship game). Thats probably why Romo would get the blame because he constantly sh*ts the bed.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is a history with Romo of effing up in the clutch and Russel Wilson has a history being the man in the clutch (i.e. NFC overtime championship game). Thats probably why Romo would get the blame because he constantly sh*ts the bed.

Well, this time it was Wilson who pooped in the clutch. The reps, they are a-changin'.

[mredskins]

I honestly don't think there is anyone to "blame". Both plays; 1 yard run or the 1 yard slant pass are both low risk high reward plays on the goal line. I almost say it was more risky to run ML if you feared losing yards. I mean the Pats had just stopped him on 1st down from what the 4 yard line?

ML could have have easily done this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5rQmdKKQgI

PLUS NE has a top ten rush defense anchored by Vince Wilfork

2014 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

It was by no way the worst call ever made in NFL history as some say.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

There is a history with Romo of effing up in the clutch and Russel Wilson has a history being the man in the clutch (i.e. NFC overtime championship game). Thats probably why Romo would get the blame because he constantly sh*ts the bed.

Well the reason Wilson had to do all these things in the NFC Championship game, was because of his own doing (4 picks); whereas Romo usually had to carry his team on his back (until this year when they decided to run the ball more). I mean, even Peyton Manning got blamed a lot on that pick-6 in the SB against New Orleans, and he was just as clutch as Wilson (if not better) back then.

As I said before, I just find it interesting that a QB that's given so much credit for wins, gets so little criticism in a loss given the play.