The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[WillH]

I have been in favor of transition tag, but now I'm thinking Franchising may actually be a no brainer.

Here's the thing. There's already been a lot of interest in Kirk connected to other teams, especially Denver and Cleveland, so you knows there are places that will pay him.

If they go into a tag and trade situation willing to take less than they hope to if it comes down to it, than I think the risk of another year on the tag is very small.

Someone will at least give up their 3rd or even their 4th for Cousins, right? So why let him walk when the absolute best you can get is a next year's third?

If you Franchise him, even if you could get absolutely nothing but a ham sandwich, if you think it's right for the team, you could always let him go to any team that wants him at that point, or maybe he'd see the lack of interest and finally sign long term.

The potential for teams to have to out bid each other is too great not try isn't it?

Essentially, they'd be betting a third rounder next year for a potential for a first this year.

For this not to work out there's only a few possibilities:

1. No one really wants Cousins.

2. Cousins refuses to consider offers from other teams so that he can play on the tag again.

3. Cousins doesn't like the options he has and decides to play on the Tag and see what his options are next year.

4. The skins somehow piss everyone off in a creative way that the make the other teams decide that the best revenge is to refuse to take Cousins out of spite.

I wouldn't put #4 past them, but really how likely do you think any of the scenarios are? Or am I not considering some other factor?

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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really want a HISHE episode of the KC contract negotiations when this is all done

HISHE would be awesome. Ever see bangcartoons on bangcartoonradiohour.com? They would be great, too.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

HISHE would be awesome. Ever see bangcartoons on bangcartoonradiohour.com? They would be great, too.

Yeah. They used to get posted on here and were great!

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

Kirk has said for two years now that he's never gotten to pick his team in the NFL and that he would like to test the market. In the past couple of years, the skins tagged him exclusively and did not give him permission to seek offers from other teams.

In the tag and trade scenario, he'd be given that opportunity finally. Not entertaining offers would be in total contradiction to what he's been saying.

If Kirk did this he'd be a dick, how the hell would he spin this in popular opinion? Wouldn't other teams see this and think twice about signing him?

So he either finds the right team and we work out the best deal we can, he doesn't like the other options and decides to finally negotiate a long term, or be a dick and see how it plays out.

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[WillH]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guess I’ll ask again, when was the last sign and trade in the NFL let alone a tag and trade? We’re talking about uncharted waters and people are saying it’s highly likely?? Based on what?

Patriots franchised and traded Cassel in 09. It's not common, but not uncharted.

I can understand the doubt that the Skins could pull off something because the Patriots have, but nevertheless it has been done.

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

You make it sound like there would only be one rebuilding season by letting KC go. This team has been rebuilding since Y2K but the past 2 season it seems like the end of the rebuild is finally in sight. Letting KC go pushes the reset button on this team and God only knows how many years it takes to get back to where they are now.

Agreed. But still, anything but another tag season. That'd give him even more leverage and we'd be in the same situation next year, but having spent 34 M more for a player we're not sure will stay here...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

Compensation is out of his hands...he will not turn down free agency bc of it.

Like I said before, the Skins need to handle this the right way.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

This is perhaps the best argument against the Skins tagging him again. This year, I think the Skins would be well-served by either signing Kirk to a LTD or moving on from him.

[MTK]

Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

Well, look at this, the Eagles don't have a 2nd and 3rd this year, although if they trade Foles away, they could possibly regain at least one of those picks. I don't think Kirk would really think about a team giving up picks for him as much as what type of contract they are offering.

I don't think Kirk necessarily wants to leave either, but he wants the most "guaranteed" money, because he equates guaranteed money with security. That's why he's OK with continuing to sign those guaranteed one year deals. He's trying to pioneer a change with how NFL contracts are structured.

I just feel, in my humble opinion, there is a good chance of a tag and trade, because as much as I think the Redskins do like Kirk Cousins, they've repeatedly been slammed in the media and around the league with how they've handled contract negotiations, and I would be shocked if they're able to get Kirk to agree to a LTD contract right away - in which another opinion on that is - if Kirk is going to sign a LTD with the Redskins, it should be done quickly. There is absolutely no reason to string it along until any deadlines. The longer you don't hear about an agreement, the more likely he walks out right or gets tagged. I just don't see why it would be logical to think the Redskins are just fine tagging him and paying him another big one year deal and not a LTD. I just think there is something already worked out with a trade partner who feels all they need is a quarterback to compete, and I honestly think it's Denver.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.

What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.

Yeah as I have said, I hope he is back but if not, o well. On to a new guy and I trust Jay to have a good QB or at least productive one, as we said look at his track record.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.

You know the old saying, hindsight is 20/20. Mike Shanahan knew right away what the Redskins would have in Kirk Cousins, and that's why he lobbied to draft Cousins. Had the FO listened to Shanahan, the Redskins would've never given up those picks for RGIII, Cousins would've been the guy, we would've gotten him wrapped up on a LTD years ago, much cheaper, and the team would've been in much better shape. Not trying to be a mark for Shanahan, but just starting to see that the more you look at this contract situation with Cousins, the more you see that what Shanahan was saying and doing wasn't wrong.

Anyway, only thing I know is, it's going to be an interesting offseason.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Redskins were 'quarterback focused' at the Senior Bowl | NBC Sports Washington

More non-news. Of course they were QB heavy due to the uncertainty at the position.