NFL Draft Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

I feel compelled to give credit where credit is due. I think Ron and company made a very good pick in Braeden Daniels. He has big upside due to his exceptional quickness and his obvious intelligence. He could have easily gone in the 3rd Round. Just feed him a few extra Big Macs, coach him up a bit and turn him loose on the opposing defenses. How'd I do on this one, Chief?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I feel compelled to give credit where credit is due. I think Ron and company made a very good pick in Braeden Daniels. He has big upside due to his exceptional quickness and his obvious intelligence. He could have easily gone in the 3rd Round. Just feed him a few extra Big Macs, coach him up a bit and turn him loose on the opposing defenses. How'd I do on this one, Chief?

You're fine KI. I know you're being a smartass, and that's cool.

I'm not going to get into the game of 'this guy should have gone here' etc... My point all along has been none of us know 1/100th of the information RR and Company has, nor do we have the expertise to evaluate any of these picks.

You do you man... I'll give my evaluation of all these picks this time next year.

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Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You're fine KI. I know you're being a smartass, and that's cool.

I'm not going to get into the game of 'this guy should have gone here' etc... My point all along has been none of us know 1/100th of the information RR and Company has, nor do we have the expertise to evaluate any of these picks.

You do you man... I'll give my evaluation of all these picks this time next year.

Player evaluations will all
Be solid. I like all these guys. But reaching is impossible to evaluate because maybe someone was taking Martin or Stromberg early too. Maybe they weren’t. Based on the boards we can see they were reaches. Does not mean they won’t produce. Just means we probably left talent on the table.

Today has been our best day so far. Daniels was a great pick. So was Henry.

[calia]

Eagles trade for DeAndre Swift. Yeesh.


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[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by calia

Eagles trade for DeAndre Swift. Yeesh.


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All I'm saying is the league has loads of film on the Eagles. I'm mainly speaking from an offensive standpoint.

[Chief X_Phackter]

I'm just glad they have addressed the most glaring need this offseason - the O-line, with Gates, Wylie, Stromberg, Daniels - so far.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm just glad they have addressed the most glaring need this offseason - the O-line, with Gates, Wylie, Stromberg, Daniels - so far.

For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, apart from Wylie who is a very good signing IMO, who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say we improved our Oline's bench, but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still haven't properly addressed LB is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, apart from Wylie who is a very good signing IMO, who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say we improved our Oline's bench, but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still haven't properly addressed LB is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".

Agree with this except KJ Henry is gonna be a good player and most likely Chase or Montez is gone after the year. I think Henry can contribute greatly this year too.

With the RB that was Ron and Martins grade. I don’t think many had him graded as a third rounder at all. Would have liked Kuntz the TE there. Fast, strong, size, good hands. Only thing that kept him outta the early rounds was going to a small school.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Agree with this except KJ Henry is gonna be a good player and most likely Chase or Montez is gone after the year. I think Henry can contribute greatly this year too.

With the RB that was Ron and Martins grade. I don’t think many had him graded as a third rounder at all. Would have liked Kuntz the TE there. Fast, strong, size, good hands. Only thing that kept him outta the early rounds was going to a small school.

Let's hope KJ Henry is a good player. But even with Chase or Sweat most likely being gone next season, here are our other edge rushers:

Casey Toohill, James Smith-Williams, Bradley William King, Efe Obada

So with our other needs I still think our 5th round could have been better spent.

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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

For sure, we can't say they didn't address it. But my concern (not meaning I'm positive that they failed, meaning I'm worried) is they did it in a very Ronish way: focusing on position flex. In the end, apart from Wylie who is a very good signing IMO, who are we confident will be a clear cut improvement over what we had last year ? And I mean, our OL was BAD last year. Not just because of injuries.
Sure depth and position flex are nice, but you do need some quality starters.

In that view, I like the 4th round pick who could turn out to be a valuable pick (even though he most likely is another quality depth guy), but I don't understand the 3rd round pick, you can find legit starters in the 3rd and we got another position flex guy...

So we can for sure say we improved our Oline's bench, but to what extent did we improve our starting Oline ?

That and the fact they still haven't properly addressed LB is a head scratcher to me.

3rd round grade RB in the 6th is nice. 2 others depth edge rushers makes zero sense to me in our situation.

Yeah yeah I know, we can still sign guys. But I have this weird feeling Ron is satisfied with this roster and we'll get another year (3rd in a row?) of "why. the. f. didn't they sign another LB ?".

You can dislike many things RR has done as head coach, but since he's been here, I have not seen him dial it down after the draft - satisfied with the roster. Many moves have been made between the draft and the start of the season over the last few years.

I don't understand why position flex is a bad thing. Just because someone is versatile, and can play multiple positions, doesn't mean he isn't a quality starter. Position flex = depth. Injuries are going to happen, and you can't have a bunch of one-trick ponies on your O-line and expect to get through those times. The number 1 thing I think everyone said we had to do this offseason is improve the O-line. Is Gates not better than Norwell? Is Wylie not better than Lucas? Stromberg and Daniels have a shot to come in and compete for a starting spot. The interior of the O-line looks a lot better now than it did at season's end, as does RT. Would Avila, Schmitz, Torrance, or someone else (if they were drafted) have come in and been a clear-cut starter? Maybe...but no one knows that for sure, anymore than they know that Stromberg or Daniels won't. Do I wish we had the chance to draft a guy like B. Jones in the first? Absolutely, but that's not the way the draft fell. LT is a position that we still need to address in my opinion. Maybe they can still do something about it this year, maybe not. Time will tell.

As far as LB goes, we just have to get used to the idea that they are going to run Davis and Barton out there for the majority of snaps, and use a DB to cover down. That's the scheme, and it can work (it has worked) - especially now that they have seemingly improved the secondary as well.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

You can dislike many things RR has done as head coach, but since he's been here, I have not seen him dial it down after the draft - satisfied with the roster. Many moves have been made between the draft and the start of the season over the last few years.



I don't understand why position flex is a bad thing. Just because someone is versatile, and can play multiple positions, doesn't mean he isn't a quality starter. Position flex = depth. Injuries are going to happen, and you can't have a bunch of one-trick ponies on your O-line and expect to get through those times. The number 1 thing I think everyone said we had to do this offseason is improve the O-line. Is Gates not better than Norwell? Is Wylie not better than Lucas? Stromberg and Daniels have a shot to come in and compete for a starting spot. The interior of the O-line looks a lot better now than it did at season's end, as does RT. Would Avila, Schmitz, Torrance, or someone else (if they were drafted) have come in and been a clear-cut starter? Maybe...but no one knows that for sure, anymore than they know that Stromberg or Daniels won't. Do I wish we had the chance to draft a guy like B. Jones in the first? Absolutely, but that's not the way the draft fell. LT is a position that we still need to address in my opinion. Maybe they can still do something about it this year, maybe not. Time will tell.



As far as LB goes, we just have to get used to the idea that they are going to run Davis and Barton out there for the majority of snaps, and use a DB to cover down. That's the scheme, and it can work (it has worked) - especially now that they have seemingly improved the secondary as well.

It's not that position flex is a bad thing. It's that it feels like Ron prioritizes this over other skills. Hence we end up with Stromberg who is viewed a back up by many. In the 3rd round you can expect to find starters.

Wylie is the only clear cut upgrade IMO. We can hope Gates is better than Norwell... But that's not a guarantee. We thought we were getting a very decent vet in Norwell. And we think we're getting a solid vet in Gates... Let's pray our hopes are legit this time around...

Barton is a good signing... But if one of him or Davis gets hurt were back to David Ketchup.
How can we go full depth on the secondary, Oline and Dline "because injuries happen", but with LB "meh, we got 2 decentish starters, we'll be fine!" ?

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[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

It's not that position flex is a bad thing. It's that it feels like Ron prioritizes this over other skills. Hence we end up with Stromberg who is viewed a back up by many. In the 3rd round you can expect to find starters.

Wylie is the only clear cut upgrade IMO. We can hope Gates is better than Norwell... But that's not a guarantee. We thought we were getting a very decent vet in Norwell. And we think we're getting a solid vet in Gates... Let's pray our hopes are legit this time around...

Barton is a good signing... But if one of him or Davis gets hurt were back to David Ketchup.
How can we go full depth on the secondary, Oline and Dline "because injuries happen", but with LB "meh, we got 2 decentish starters, we'll be fine!" ?

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It's because of the type of defense JDR likes to run. Despite all our complaining about how they haven't addressed the LB position, we have had a top 10 defense in 2 of the last 3 years. They may be even better this year.

[Chico23231]

RB, Linebacker focus now…with possible TE

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Jaelyn Duncan still out there. Fast for a tackle. Maryland guy.

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Duncan gone. Kuntz is my next hope.