Brunell & Other Offseason Moves (Merged Thread)

[jordanz301]

Originally Posted by scowan

Brunell is our starter. Today we found out just how bad we miss Randy Thomas. Ray Brown can't get it don't and Raymer won't be back next year. Portis could not get any holes and with only Moss and Cooley "in the pattern" Brunnel did not have enough options.

i dunno what youve been watchin dude, but what i know is ray bown played his butt off and did a hell of a job at that too.......but raymer......just plain awful......terrible

[Paintrain]

1. #1 priority has to be a 2nd WR who can move the chains and make the occasional big play. David Givens, Brandon Lloyd, Quincy Morgan someone who won't cost much in $$ or picks.. Jacobs, Farris and Thrash are gone, Patten is a suitable #3..

2. Develop Jason Campbell.. The Redskins got extremely lucky with Brunell's health this season and likely won't be as fortunate again. Ramsey will be somewhere else next year (sorry Ramsey fans but he's gone) so we need Campbell to be ready to come in and at least manage the game and make plays when neccesary. We gave up a #1 pick for him so he needs to make good on it.

2. Pass rushing DE/3rd Corner.. Daniels came on late, but for most of the season he was a non factor rushing the passer.. Walt Harris was exposed as Elvis 'Toast' Patterson 2005 so he needs to get somewhere.. Time maybe for Ade to become the nickel corner or draft/develop someone for that role..

3. Build OL depth.. Ray Brown played well, but at 42 it was clear he was not suited for extended playing time. Raymer was done the last time he was a Redskin, Wilson and Molinaro haven't developed as hoped.

4. Re-sign Betts long term.. It's clear that he is an integral part of the running game and with a continued reliance on Portis we need him to spell Portis to keep him fresh and healthy.

5. Continue to develop the offense.. It took 5-6 weeks for it to open up but it still regressed in the playoffs. Next year should be a return to glory for Gibbs in his 3rd and likely final season as he has 2 full seasons to know the league and build his game plans accordingly..

[mooby]

I agree with most of your points Paintrain. We need to resign Betts, we need o-line depth because Ray Brown is retiring, and Cory Raymer should be gone. I do believe that Walt Harris could be a good nickel corner, and hopefully Rogers stays healthy, because he has progressed well enough to be a #2. I saw why we keep Ade Jimoh every year, he has made progress as a corner this year when Springs was down, and he is a special teams beast. We do need depth though, because we saw how backups played when starters went down this year. I do think we need a pass rushing defensive end, Daniels was strong at the end of the year, but he wasn't all year long, and Wynn is valuable as a run stopper, but not much of a pass rusher. I think we could keep both, reduce their cap hit a bit, and sign a situational pass rushing lineman, someone like Robert Mathis for the Colts.

[Hail2em]

this might sound crazy, but now that the season is over, i don't know about you guys but i'm really pumped about the offseason!!

[bigm29]

everyone agrees that campbell is our qb of the future right? y not start him next season. yes brunell is good but is he really gonna win us a super bowl. kitna was still good when the bengals started palmer.

[FirstandTen]

Originally Posted by backrow

2006-2007 starts the same as 2005-2006 ended!

1. Brunnell

2. P.Ram

3. Campbell

Next year Ramsey is gone...
1.Brunell

2.Campbell

3. Veteran Backup to be named

[FRPLG]

I love what Brunell did for this team but I just think our offense was as good as it could be with him at the helm this year. It needs to be better. If he can get better again next year then maybe he can take us to the next level but he isn't going to. Attention is needed here. Whether Ramsey is the answer or not I have no idea but I'd love to see him get another shot. He didn't get much of one this year. I don't think we go out and try to find someone else but I think it needs to be realized that Brunell is simply old and doesn't have the physical ability to do the little things that a real good QB does. You watch Brady or Manning they slide and make their own passing lanes. It's just an atheltic move they can do without even thinking about it. I can't think of Brunell doing this at all. When he needs a passing lane he rolls out or ends up getting sacked. We also need another quality WR so we never have to run a 1 WR set ever again. These should be outlawed by the league. It allows the D to put 9 in the box. Unacceptable. I think Brunell is a quality backup. In fact I think he can extend his career in the lague as a backup for three or four years but he simply isn't a SB QB and that's what we need. This team can be good again next year but it likely can't be any better with Brunell in there. As much as I love the guy and his toughness and hard work and good decisions we need to upgrade. Perfect example of a get you close QB.

[redrock-skins]

I agree with many of those moves.

What about a new kicker? Hall just doesn't have it anymore. I knew from watching him in warmups he was going to be ineffective.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I don't know what to do with Brunell.

On the one hand I think, "If this guy could just get another weapon on offense, he could be amazing." Given that he only had two viable receiving threats, it's quite amazing that he was able to do so well. Moreover, he took us to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years.

On the other hand I think, "He's 35, inconsistent, and we need to build towards the future while Gibbs is still here."

I really don't know what we should do.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I don't know what to do with Brunell.

On the one hand I think, "If this guy could just get another weapon on offense, he could be amazing." Given that he only had two viable receiving threats, it's quite amazing that he was able to do so well. Moreover, he took us to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years.

On the other hand I think, "He's 35, inconsistent, and we need to build towards the future while Gibbs is still here."

I really don't know what we should do.

I really notice when watching some other quality QBs how just well crappy Brunell looks in the pocket. They slide around and make passing lanes. They step up in the pocket to diminsh pressure. They calmly throw accurate passes. They just look a lot smoother. I think this is really a function of age because to me he looks a lot like another old QB: Brett Favre. Favre makes much worse decisions and would simply be a disaster on this type of team, but Brunell just doesn't look to me like he has the physical ability to be a SB QB. He looks like a good game manager with an adequate arm and a little wiggle left. He knows what to do and how to do it but he also knows what he can no longer do so he doesn't even try. It seems like drop back find the open guy or roll out. There's no hang in the pocket and make a play happen using a progression. And when he does check down it LOOKS like a check down rather than a smooth play. It seems almost manic. I am just struck by the difference between say Brady and Brunell. It is 100% obvious to me. Of course I know crap and maybe it is function of something else that I don't know about. If it is then I say I am an idiot and lets fix this other thing but from my years of watching this game I think Brunell just has a ceiling too low for a contending to able to reasonably expect to be in the hunt on a year to year basis. There's a reason Dilfer wasn't the QB in Balt long. He isn't that good. He did great that SB year keeping them out of bad situations but they knew they needed to get someone better in there to be successful long term(they just didn't find the right guy). I like long term planning.

[Big C]

unless campbell shows huge strides, brunell will open the year as the starter. however, campbell will get atleast a little game time throughout the year. it is unlikely brunell will stay healthy enough to start all year again

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I don't know what to do with Brunell.

On the one hand I think, "If this guy could just get another weapon on offense, he could be amazing." Given that he only had two viable receiving threats, it's quite amazing that he was able to do so well. Moreover, he took us to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years.

On the other hand I think, "He's 35, inconsistent, and we need to build towards the future while Gibbs is still here."

I really don't know what we should do.

I do, he's now the backup, I kinda believe that our offensive woe's are due to his inability to take chances downfield, late in the game when there's nothing to lose he will take shots, kind of funny how things start opening up on offense when he has done that. I feel we need a QB that can make all the throws and can check down to a third reciever. Regardless of what Brunell did this season, he did nothing when it count's. If we lost because we were outplayed that's one thing, but Brunell didn't show up. Perhaps he's performing the way Gibbs want's him to? Who know's right now, but something has to change, and I think it start's with Brunell!

And for all those who believe we need another WR to compliment Moss, well we knew that before the draft and came away with a 3rd string QB, it will be curious to see what we do with our next to nothing draft picks this year?

[steveo395]

if campbells starting to look pretty decent in the offseason, i say just start him....he'll only get better and the best way for a qb to learn is to play

they need a #2 receiver and backup o-lineman

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

...it will be curious to see what we do with our next to nothing draft picks this year?

I don't much disagree with most of this post but I wouldn't call our draft pciks next to nothing. A second rounder will be a quality guy for us if choosen well. And good depth guys are always available in the 4th. It's not like all our picks are turds.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I don't much disagree with most of this post but I wouldn't call our draft pciks next to nothing. A second rounder will be a quality guy for us if choosen well. And good depth guys are always available in the 4th. It's not like all our picks are turds.

And there's always potential trades to pick up additional picks... Ramsey, LaVar??