New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them?

dgack · 01-16-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skindogger47

Novac is a pussy.

LOL, and you base this on... what, exactly? The fact that he broke every ACC kicking record and is 5th in NCAA history for career points scored?

celts32 · 01-16-2006, 10:13 PM

As mad as I am about Hall's performance on Saturday, I would not cut him unless it's for a serious upgrade like Vanderjadt or Adam Vineteria. Hall is usually pretty reliable froma reasonable distance and I still remember a few years ago when our kickers couldn't make 30 yarders.

dgack · 01-16-2006, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by celts32

As mad as I am about Hall's performance on Saturday, I would not cut him unless it's for a serious upgrade like Vanderjadt or Adam Vineteria. Hall is usually pretty reliable froma reasonable distance and I still remember a few years ago when our kickers couldn't make 30 yarders.

The bigger problem with Hall is that he's never really recovered from the injury and you never know when he's going to come up gimpy and then we end up having to cut someone else to sign a kicker to a temporary contract (a la Nick Novak).

Personally I'd rather take a chance on a young guy with a strong leg like Novak, and see what he can do, than be happy with a guy who's (usually) good at making 40 yarders.

Gibbs should not have to punt every time we can't get past the 25.

htownskinfan · 01-16-2006, 11:09 PM

I dont care about Josh brown mouthing off,shoes he has passion for his team,and Van would keep his mouth shut,he learned his lesson,some people are for our punter and kciker and some are against,1 has to go,we either need a punter who can kick a touchback,or a fg kicker who can,I'd love to have tupa come back,because i love the option of having a punter who's an x-qb,but he's to old to rely on not getting injured again

htownskinfan · 01-17-2006, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Nedney had a great year for SF and the cost might be right!!!

I was just looking at the kicker stats and you are dead on,26-28 and he was tied for the longest fg this yr,56 yrds,he was 2-3 beyond the 50 and 10-10 in the 40-49 yrd range

FRPLG · 01-17-2006, 01:02 AM

How anyone could want Frost over any other punter in the league is beyond sense. He was the worst punter we have had in this town since Theisman tried to punt one. He is terrible plain and simple. There is no way around it.

FRPLG · 01-17-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

I think we ought to cut Tupa and keep Frost. Frost was one of the main reasons the Seahawks didn't blow us up in the 1st quarter. He hung his punts up there from way back in our territory allowing Jimoh and others to make good plays on special teams. I know this was just one game, but it was a playoff game, in bad weather, on the road, and he did well. That tells me something. Not to mention, he can kick off too, if needed. Tupa is old and overpaid.

If we can pry Novak from under Arizona's hands, I'd be heavily in favor of locking him up and releasing Hall.

Frost? whatever.

What did Novak do to convince you he was any better than an average kicker? His kickoffs were meager and his fieldgoals only reliable under 50. Sounds about like what we already have in Hall. At least he used to be better than that and could possibly get back to that. I am not saying keep Hall but Novak isn't the answer either. He is a mid season pick up kicker in the NFL at best.

I wonder about your kicking analysis.

FRPLG · 01-17-2006, 01:07 AM

What the hell is all this talk about Novak? Guys he does NOT have a strong leg. He has an average leg. He doesn't kick inside the 10 and is reliable only from inside 45 maybe. That's saying he is "reliable" based on less than a year's worth of experience mostly for a non-contending team. Where is all this crazy Novak love coming from?

LongTimeSkinsFan · 01-17-2006, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

What the hell is all this talk about Novak? Guys he does NOT have a strong leg. He has an average leg. He doesn't kick inside the 10 and is reliable only from inside 45 maybe. That's saying he is "reliable" based on less than a year's worth of experience mostly for a non-contending team. Where is all this crazy Novak love coming from?

There's a few of us that have a soft spot in our hearts for former Terps who set ACC scoring records I guess. Just a passing phase I'm sure.

FRPLG · 01-17-2006, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LongTimeSkinsFan

There's a few of us that have a soft spot in our hearts for former Terps who set ACC scoring records I guess. Just a passing phase I'm sure.

I hope. I am not saying he isn't a "decent" kicker but we already have a "decent" kicker. We were a playoff team this year so we need to be making upgrades at positions where we are "decent" to be at least "good" so we can take the next steps. Stop letting our past hold us back. Lets find a quality guy to get in there. A guy who can be counted to provide good kicoffssand can makes big kicks. Hell I'd take a punter who is good and can kickoff like they have in Denver this year. Keep the kicker fresh and healthy. Maybe in that scenario you can keep Hall and get his leg strength up by not over working him with kickoffs.

htownskinfan · 01-17-2006, 01:37 AM

found these stats on kickers,out of the free agents,vinateri had the most tb's,and apparently frost can kickoff,he did twice this yr with a slightly higher avg than hall,also novaks avg was worse than hall and frost
http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/...S/2005/regular

dgack · 01-17-2006, 02:28 AM

One has to admit a certain retarded guilty pleasure in arguing over kickers and punters. For me personally, the issue is that Hall is being paid like a top tier kicker and he is clearly not.

Maybe Novak will never be better than Hall (I question whether that is really true or not). He certainly can't cost us as much, and he's not a gimp, I know that much. And frankly, we've had plenty of time to get used to Hall's deficiencies.

I'm sure a certain amount of the Hall-hating comes from the fact that he's the devil we know. And certainly it could be worse. But it seems kind of lame to just settle for a guy who has become mediocre just because he's comfortably mediocre.

dgack · 01-17-2006, 02:38 AM

Just for comparison...

This year Hall made $665k. Next year he's due to make $1.5 million.
Novak made $230k this year.

Others we've been talking about:

Vinatieri: $2.5mil
Vanderchoke: $1.8mil
Josh "I Wish I Could Quit You, Matthew" Brown: $380k
Longwell: $1mil

RedskinPete · 01-17-2006, 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I was just looking at the kicker stats and you are dead on,26-28 and he was tied for the longest fg this yr,56 yrds,he was 2-3 beyond the 50 and 10-10 in the 40-49 yrd range

He would fit and Frost I thought had a good season!!!

That Guy · 01-17-2006, 04:36 AM

frost is wildly inconsistant and novak gets WAY too many kicks blocked, neither one would be an upgrade, they're both barely in the nfl.

01-16-2006, 10:13 PM	#17
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01-16-2006, 11:09 PM	#19
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,909	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? I dont care about Josh brown mouthing off,shoes he has passion for his team,and Van would keep his mouth shut,he learned his lesson,some people are for our punter and kciker and some are against,1 has to go,we either need a punter who can kick a touchback,or a fg kicker who can,I'd love to have tupa come back,because i love the option of having a punter who's an x-qb,but he's to old to rely on not getting injured again

01-17-2006, 01:02 AM	#21
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? How anyone could want Frost over any other punter in the league is beyond sense. He was the worst punter we have had in this town since Theisman tried to punt one. He is terrible plain and simple. There is no way around it.

01-17-2006, 01:07 AM	#23
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? What the hell is all this talk about Novak? Guys he does NOT have a strong leg. He has an average leg. He doesn't kick inside the 10 and is reliable only from inside 45 maybe. That's saying he is "reliable" based on less than a year's worth of experience mostly for a non-contending team. Where is all this crazy Novak love coming from?

01-17-2006, 01:37 AM	#26
htownskinfan JUST LIVIN Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: houston,tx Age: 62 Posts: 4,909	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? found these stats on kickers,out of the free agents,vinateri had the most tb's,and apparently frost can kickoff,he did twice this yr with a slightly higher avg than hall,also novaks avg was worse than hall and frost http://www.nfl.com/stats/playersort/...S/2005/regular

01-17-2006, 02:28 AM	#27
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? One has to admit a certain retarded guilty pleasure in arguing over kickers and punters. For me personally, the issue is that Hall is being paid like a top tier kicker and he is clearly not. Maybe Novak will never be better than Hall (I question whether that is really true or not). He certainly can't cost us as much, and he's not a gimp, I know that much. And frankly, we've had plenty of time to get used to Hall's deficiencies. I'm sure a certain amount of the Hall-hating comes from the fact that he's the devil we know. And certainly it could be worse. But it seems kind of lame to just settle for a guy who has become mediocre just because he's comfortably mediocre.

01-17-2006, 02:38 AM	#28
dgack The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The ATX (formerly Balmer) Posts: 1,125	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? Just for comparison... This year Hall made $665k. Next year he's due to make $1.5 million. Novak made $230k this year. Others we've been talking about: Vinatieri: $2.5mil Vanderchoke: $1.8mil Josh "I Wish I Could Quit You, Matthew" Brown: $380k Longwell: $1mil

01-17-2006, 04:36 AM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: New Kicker And Punter, Can We Afford Them? frost is wildly inconsistant and novak gets WAY too many kicks blocked, neither one would be an upgrade, they're both barely in the nfl.

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