Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[chuckmcco]

If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by amorentz

Eh, I was close enough for a football fan

And dead on compared to a Philly fan.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by chuckmcco

If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.

Welcome aboard Chuck.

Let me be the first to introduce you to Offiss. Sounds like you two have some common ground. Although you may come to blows over the fact that Campbell not Ramsey is our next QB.

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by chuckmcco

If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.

Dude, you are way harsh. Campbell has 0 victories and 0 TDs. Brunell did falter at times, but he has a special chemistry with Moss and Cooley that can't be denied. We don't know how good Jason Campbell is going to be because the NFL is not the SEC and he also had Caddilac and Ronnie Brown (and Carlos) at Auburn. Gibbs might keep Ramsey if Saunders thinks that is the right thing to do. Also, he could open up the competition between Campbell and Brunell if Ramsey is traded....either way, Brunell just won 6 straight games for us before the Seattle loss and he was pretty poor then, but so was the whole offense. I'm sure you'll be watching no matter who is QB if you really love the skins.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by chuckmcco

If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.

First of all, welcome to the thread. Secondly, you can't be serious.

If you're not happy with 10-6 my friend, then you are certainly asking a lot of Jason Campbell at this point.

[Schneed10]

I think Gibbs' number one concern about Ramsey is his propensity to turn the ball over and take sacks. I don't think adding Saunders will change that. I think mainly, the addition of Saunders will hopefully improve the usage of the offensive line's talents. He was amazing at using those guys effectively, creating schemes to take advantage of what they did well. If he can do that here, I think it will help Campbell's development when he eventually does get playing time.

I don't think Saunders is any great QB guru, but I think he'll scheme very well. I can see both Campbell and Brunell having increased chances for success just because of the schemes. So I don't think it will change things very much regarding who will be the starting QB. But I think it will change how effective our entire offense is.

[diehardskin2982]

I would imagine them saying that Campbell has to learn the new scheme, or some bs like that.

[amorentz]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Welcome aboard Chuck.

Let me be the first to introduce you to Offiss. Sounds like you two have some common ground. Although you may come to blows over the fact that Campbell not Ramsey is our next QB.

LOL...yeah the two of them are gonna be best of friends!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think Gibbs' number one concern about Ramsey is his propensity to turn the ball over and take sacks. I don't think adding Saunders will change that. I think mainly, the addition of Saunders will hopefully improve the usage of the offensive line's talents. He was amazing at using those guys effectively, creating schemes to take advantage of what they did well. If he can do that here, I think it will help Campbell's development when he eventually does get playing time.

I don't think Saunders is any great QB guru, but I think he'll scheme very well. I can see both Campbell and Brunell having increased chances for success just because of the schemes. So I don't think it will change things very much regarding who will be the starting QB. But I think it will change how effective our entire offense is.

You hit it! Saunders will not overhaul this offense, but rather further expand Gibbs' philosophy. That's why they chose him.

He'll add some new wrinkles here and there and assist with the play calling. But no one player is going to be transformed by this move alone.

[dmek25]

they might get more receivers involved in the route running(dont ask me where they are getting the receivers from)giving whom ever the qb is more options

[memphisskin]

Originally Posted by chuckmcco

If Mark Brunell is our starting QB next season i will not watch the games. I refuse to watch an offense that has to call certain plays because our QB has a diminished skill. Until Jason Campbell is named our starter i am boycotting.

I see your Brunell boycott and raise you with my own refusal to watch Skins games on Saturdays in October.

Fact is, Campbell has to play at some point and sitting him because we may hold SB aspirations is dumb. If he's our guy, and that's the company line thus far, then we've got to let him play. What are we waiting for? It's still football, last I checked.

[AnonEmouse]

My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.

[skinsfan0201]

my vote is to keep Ramsey, and Campell and keep Brunell as a quarterback coach ha ha! JMO

[SanFranSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

My theories:

They get a marquee receiver in FA and probably an OG. Dockery and Thomas are good, but I think a top notch guard pushing Dockery to 1st backup gives us the OL we need. Of course, this relies on Thomas coming back at full strength. I do agree with Tony McGee in that we may trade Ramsey to Detroit for a WR (plus picks etc. to balance the trade), but if they can't trade for the talent, we get a FA. Drafting a WR is too hit and miss at this stage. Maybe draft a #3/#4 WR to develop.

What Saunders gives us is an OC that is good at judging when to try the big play. Musgrave can work with Campbell and a backup on technique, but Saunders will scheme an offense for Brunell. He will start next year, but Campbell will be brought up to speed as #2 and prepared to go in if Brunellis hurt at all. Gibbs didn't trust Ramsey enough until Brunell couldn't go back in. We need a #2 with the confidence of the staff to put him in at the first sign of trouble. Pushing Brunell back in on a gammy leg next year could finish his career and leave us a veteran QB down.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see them go after a good TE along the lines of Didier. Cooley gives us great options as H-back, but Royal is a blocker first and we need more underneath outlets.

It really looks like Saunders will go with Brunell and Campbell as a back up. I only like Roy Williams on the Lions and I don't think Marinelli is going to trade his best WR. Rogers can't stay healthy and Mike Williams in unproven, so far. We won't get Reggie Wayne but maybe Al can lure 1-2 other fast WRs who can stretch the field. I also think Saunders probably also wants to look at a lot of college and free agent offenive lineman to provide depth and protect from injuries and if Rock is gone, a bigger back for short yardage unless Nemo goes loco. He is a great hire for our offense since he coached with Gibbs back in the 80s and is another head coach we just added to the "no longer a head coach candidate" list.

[70Chip]

I think Patrick is leaving no matter what. Somebody compared Ramsey to Trent Green (obviously a Ramsey booster). The difference between the two and between good qbs and average qbs generally, is their ability to see the ENTIRE field. Green has the intangible ability to understand how a play is developing and make the right decision. Montana and Aikman were two of the best you will ever have seen at this. Also I would add Joe Namath and Tom Brady. I remember watching Aikman and thinking that he knew exactly where all his receivers were headed at all times.

Patrick Ramsey still has the bad habit of looking disappointed and flustered when his primary receiver is covered. Throw in a little pass pressure and its pure panic. He does seem to have improved on finding the last resort dump off in his limited action this year. I'm thinking of a pass to Betts against the Giants.

Mark Brunell seems to be able to see about half of the field - usually the left side. They seem to design alot of passes with a short and long target on the same side for him. He is also excellent at improvising the safety valve stuff. The play where Cooley or Royal pass-block and then release late seemed to be his best on third down. What he can't do well is look off an intermediate receiver on his left and find an intermediate receiver on his right, or vice versa.

The question is then, can Jason Campbell see the field. Who knows? I don't think anyone can really know until he plays in regular season games. All the experts thought Heath Shuler was can't miss. He didn't have it. Trent Green was third string for at least two years here as soon as he got in a game, it was like magic. He had 'it', whatever it is.

For the Ramsey lovers among us, I would note that Aikman seems to be quite a fan of Patrick Ramsey's in the Redskins games he has announced when the subject came up. For what that is worth. Maybe he will find a niche somewhere else.