More Peter King Madness

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RiggoRules

The question I have for all the haters: Is it jealousy or envy?

Both, with a little ignorance sprinkled on top.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by scowan

Hey Peter King, I remember some small receivers on the St. Rams back in 2000 and how did they do? Bruce, Holt and Hakim. If you can get separation, who cares how big you are.

I was just thinking the same thing. This could be the 2000 Rams (who had Al Saunders as WR coach) all over again. Check out the comparisons:

2000 St. Louis Rams (with stats for 2000 season):

Marshall Faulk (5'10", 211 lbs., 27) 253 carries, 1359 yards, 18 TDs, 81 rec., 830 yards, 8 TDs

Isaac Bruce (6'0", 188 lbs., 27) 87 rec., 1471 yards, 9 TDs
Az-zahir Hakim (5'10", 189 lbs, 23) 53 rec., 734 yards, 4 TDs
Torry Holt (6'0", 190 lbs., 24) 82 rec., 1635 yards, 6 TDs
Ricky Proehl (6'0", 190 lbs., 32) 31 rec., 441 yards, 4 TDs

2006 Washington Redskins:

Clinton Portis (5'11, 205 lbs., 25-when 2006 season begins)

Santana Moss (5'10", 185 lbs., 25)
Brandon Lloyd (6'0", 192 lbs., 25)
Antwaan Randle El (5'10", 192 lbs., 27)
David Patten (5'10", 190 lbs., 32)
Chris Cooley (6'3", 265 lbs., 24)

[PWNED]

very true, and honestly i think we may even have more weapons than them. i just really watn brunell to spread the ball around lke warner did.

[CooleyAsCanBe]

I'm not too worried about having all four be the same size, I am more worried about having the last three be comparable in skill, and thus think they all deserve the ball. Patten was already complaining about not getting the ball enough when he was the clear number two before his injury (that sounds funny, number two, poop, hahaha) and although I don't think he is as good as the two guys we are bringing in, he is definitely in their same category.

I guess opening up the offense with our new OC Saunders might help get more balls out there, and having three legitimate WR threats on the field at a time will help Portis, but I think I would have preferred to get EITHER Randle El OR Lloyd, and spend the other contract on a DE or LB or DB.

But, hey, if we end up having enough money for everyone, the more the merrier. Depth is nice, but I think one great receiver and two good receivers is enough. Draft a rookie or sign a cheap vet for the fourth spot.

P.S. Schneed, yesterday I somehow followed a link to an Eagles message board and read their "Skins bashing" thread from around February. You were tearing them up. It was hilarious. Belated congratulations.

[VTSkins897]

they said moss was a downgrade. they're idiots. they should learn from their mistakes... were there even any good "big" WRs available? sure it's nice to have them but i just don't think that's our style.

[Beemnseven]

Tall wideouts were the thing back in the Jerry Rice, John Taylor and J.J. Stokes days. When it carried over into Dallas during their glory days with Irvin and Harper, if you didn't have at least two starting WRs over 6'2", your team was in trouble.

Someone should get the word to Peter King, and Dan Patrick who made a crack about it too on his radio show, that those days are over. Speed is the name of the game. Everything else is secondary.

[GoSkins!]

"Wouldn't someone on the staff there say, Hey, maybe it's a good idea to get a taller, more physical receiver to play against some of the moose we have at safety in this division, like Dallas' Roy Williams?"

He knows what Moss did to them last year. Even with double coverage, Williams was unable to stop Moss. He knows this and still he can't connect the dots.

This level of stupidity is hard to believe. Even for him.

[scowan]

This "Physical Receiver" thing is crap. Sure everyone would like to have a T.O. on their team who is big and strong and maybe not get hurt when he gets hit, but once you get past the first 5 yards, if anyone "touches" a WR, he gets called for a penalty. What you need is the abilty to separate from your defender. Even Rice and Irvin and these other "big" receivers that are mentioned had the ability to separate from their defenders. I don't think Marvin Harrison is that big, neither is Steve Smith, or Santana. Those are the guys at the top of the receiving charts last year.

[dmek25]

return of the smurfs!who gives a rats ass about what p king has to say?he is still living in the L.T./P.simms era.im glad he seems to know more than coach gibbs on how to run a team

[bertoskins]

Roy Williiams cannot catch Santana,
and we have brought 2 more Santana's clone

[Paintrain]

I sent an e-mail to King asking:
What's the difference between the way the Redskins WR are configured, small, fast WR (Moss, Lloyd, Randle-El) and the way the Colts WR are configured (Harrison, Wayne, Stokley). Not comparing skill sets, just the way they are comprised. Also, if the current corp is better than last year's corp (Moss, Patten, Thrash) then why are the Redskins 'out of their mind' for improving their team?

I also wanted to point out the relative failures of recent small wr corp like the Steelers (Ward, Randle El), Patriots (Branch, Patten, Givens), Colts, Rams, etc..

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I sent an e-mail to King asking:
What's the difference between the way the Redskins WR are configured, small, fast WR (Moss, Lloyd, Randle-El) and the way the Colts WR are configured (Harrison, Wayne, Stokley). Not comparing skill sets, just the way they are comprised. Also, if the current corp is better than last year's corp (Moss, Patten, Thrash) then why are the Redskins 'out of their mind' for improving their team?

I also wanted to point out the relative failures of recent small wr corp like the Steelers (Ward, Randle El), Patriots (Branch, Patten, Givens), Colts, Rams, etc..

Well, I'm sure if he responds (which he won't) he'd say something like "the difference is that the Colts have Peyton Manning throwing them the ball."

While I disagree with King on the importance of tall wideouts, all these signings mean nothing if Mark Brunell's final 2 games of '05 are a foreshadow of 2006. We cannot discount the quarterback situation. How much does Brunell really have left? Is Jason Campbell ready? Could Todd Collins actually see time starting any games in the regular season? Those are important questions that could be the sole difference between the Redskins going to the Promise Land or falling flat on their face.

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

From his Monday Morning QB:

"I think the Redskins are officially out of their minds. Washington dealt a third-round pick this year and a fourth next year to San Francisco for wideout Brandon Lloyd. This is Lloyd's NFL résumé: three seasons, 105 catches, 14.4 yards per catch, 13 touchdowns. He is a nice deep threat with good hands. But didn't the Redskins already have one of those guys in Santana Moss? In fact, by signing Antwaan Randle El on Sunday (what?!!!!!), the Redskins now have four of the same receiver at spots one through four on the wideout depth chart. Check this out:

Player Height Weight Age
Brandon Lloyd 6-0 192 24
Santana Moss 5-10 185 26
David Patten 5-10 190 31
Antwaan Randle El 5-10 192 26

I'm not saying you have to have receivers of different sizes and shapes, but with the exception of speed, the Redskins, over the last 12 months, have dealt for two receivers (Moss, Lloyd) and signed two others who all fit the same profile. Wouldn't someone on the staff there say, Hey, maybe it's a good idea to get a taller, more physical receiver to play against some of the moose we have at safety in this division, like Dallas' Roy Williams?"

As to the big receiver - I know their is a lot of sentiment for that, but you know what? If you can get open, size don't matter.

As for worrying about Roy Wiliams - Not to worry Peter, we'll just run past him. Twice. In the last 2 minutes of the game.

wait until he reads about carters contract... he is gonna have a stroke

[shallyshal]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I sent an e-mail to King asking:
What's the difference between the way the Redskins WR are configured, small, fast WR (Moss, Lloyd, Randle-El) and the way the Colts WR are configured (Harrison, Wayne, Stokley). Not comparing skill sets, just the way they are comprised. Also, if the current corp is better than last year's corp (Moss, Patten, Thrash) then why are the Redskins 'out of their mind' for improving their team?

I also wanted to point out the relative failures of recent small wr corp like the Steelers (Ward, Randle El), Patriots (Branch, Patten, Givens), Colts, Rams, etc..

the league is a bunch of copy cats.. after next year, the smaller receivers willbe in vogue.

besides, roy williams can't hit what he cant catch up to

[PSUSkinsFan21]

On he heels of a year in which 8 of the top 10 WRs in terms of receiving yards were 6'1" or shorter (and 6 were 6'0" or shorter) and the top two WRs were Steve Smith and Santana Moss, I struggle to understand King's point. Production is production. Doesn't matter what size you are if you don't get open and catch the ball when it gets to you.

Would he be happier if we still had Rod Gardner and Darnerian McCants instead? Idiot.